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Lavrov Interview with Russia Today

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Уважаемый Сергей Викторович Спасибо что нашли время встретиться с нами сегодня здесь присутствует три редакции и испанская арабская и английская и если у коллег Нет возражений я начну первым Итак 2013 год стал достаточно поворотным для российской дипломатии Как вы лично оцениваете договорённости по Сирии по ирану И каковы перспективы конференции Женева 2 договорно хорошие полезные и я думаю что этот успех был обеспечен коллективными усилиями лишний раз доказал что только сообща когда мы по-честному на основе Full house translation — pending review
Dear Sergey Viktorovich, thank you for finding the time to meet with us today. Here are three editions: Russian, Spanish, Arabic, and English. If there are no objections from the colleagues, I will start first. So, 2013 was quite a turning point for Russian diplomacy. How do you personally assess the agreements on Syria and Iran, and what are the prospects for the Geneva conference? 2 agreements, good and useful, and I think this success was ensured by collective efforts, once again proving that only together, when we honestly, based on
1 Assessment of 2013 Diplomatic Achievements
баланса интересов на основе международного права реализуем какие-то инициативы они могут быть достижимы я не стал бы называть этот год прорывным если говорить Сирии и об Иране во-первых то что произошло имея в виду договорённости об уничтожении химического оружия сирийского договорённость о соз Женевы 2 первоначальные договорённости о том что нужно делать чтобы двигаться к урегулированию иранской ядерной программы это результат многолетних усилий по крайней мере в том что касается Сирии почти трёхлетних усилий Full house translation — pending review
balance of interests, based on international law, implement some initiatives, they can be achievable. I would not call this year a breakthrough year if talking about Syria and Iran. First, what happened, meaning the agreements on the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons, the agreement on the creation of Geneva 2, the initial agreements on what needs to be done to move towards resolving the Iranian nuclear program, is the result of multi-year efforts, at least in the case of Syria, almost three years of efforts
которые наша страна предпринимала отстаивая международное право и то что произошло по иранской ядерной программе тоже даже больше чем 3 года мы добивались двух вещей во-первых договориться Всем участникам этих переговоров что их конечной целью является разрешение ситуации таким образом чтобы признать право Ирана на мирную ядерную программу включая обогащение Урана для целей производства топлива для эци при снятии всех вопросов и всех сомнений в отношении того что это ядерной программы может быть военное измерение Full house translation — pending review
that our country undertook to defend international law, and what happened with the Iranian nuclear program is even more than 3 years. We achieved two things: first, to agree with all participants in these negotiations that their ultimate goal is to resolve the situation in such a way as to recognize Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program, including uranium enrichment for the purpose of producing fuel for electricity, while removing all questions and all doubts regarding the fact that this nuclear program could have a military dimension
при постановке этой мирной ядерной программы под полный контроль Мага и в целом таким образом действуя чтобы обеспечивать безопасность в регионе безопасность всех стран которые здесь расположены включая Изра зае к такой констатации констатация по-моему Справедливая она всеобъемлющая она учитывает интересы и мирового сообщества и западных стран и стран региона и интересы Ирана и интересы режима нераспространения ядерного оружия и вот удалось на буквально на последнем витке уходящего года такую договорённость Full house translation — pending review
by placing this peaceful nuclear program under full control of IAEA, and overall acting in such a way as to ensure security in the region, security of all countries located here, including Israel. To such a statement, in my opinion, a fair statement, it is comprehensive, it takes into account the interests of the international community and Western countries and regional countries and the interests of Iran and the interests of the nuclear non-proliferation regime, and we managed to reach such an agreement literally on the last lap of the outgoing year.
2 Iran Nuclear Deal – Conceptual Goal and Method
согласовать она есть и второй момент который мы тоже многие годы отстаивали о том чтобы выработать своего рода дорожную карту сейчас это слово это выражение стало модным потому что за один раз вот одним хлопком урегулирования не достичь и мы предложили двигаться на основе принципов взаимности и поэтапность то есть Иран делает шаг навстречу тем требованиям которые сформулировала магате и который поддержал свет безопасности и Международное сообщество в ответ делает шаг по ослаблению режима санкций и так до того Full house translation — pending review
to agree, it exists, and the second point which we have also defended for many years is to develop a kind of roadmap. Now, this word, this expression has become fashionable because one cannot achieve settlement with a single clap. We proposed moving based on the principles of reciprocity and step-by-step progression: that is, Iran takes a step towards the requirements formulated by the IAEA and supported by the Security Council and the international community, and in response, a step is taken to relax the sanctions regime, and so on until...
момен когда Иран полностью удовлетворит все наши требования и соответственно полностью будут сняты все санкции вот эти две вещи первая концептуальная цель переговоров так называемая конечная игра г и второе метод переговоров мы продвигали несколько лет также как отстаивали необходимость политического урегулирования вокруг Сирии Поэтому если это Ил пров обеспечен вот многолетней работой и терпением Российской Федерации потому что мы объявлялись в начале арабской весны на неправильном конце истории говорили что мы Full house translation — pending review
the moment when Iran fully satisfies all our requirements and accordingly all sanctions are fully lifted. These two things—the first conceptual goal of negotiations, the so-called endgame, and the second, the method of negotiations—we have promoted for several years, just as we have defended the necessity of political settlement around Syria. Therefore, if this is ensured by the long-term work and patience of the Russian Federation, because we declared at the beginning of the Arab Spring that we were on the wrong end of history, saying that we...
6 Lessons from the Arab Spring
потеряли арабскую улицу потеряли ближний Восток к огромному сожалению наши западные партнёры в тот период некоторые парт из региона кстати в тот период руководствовались не интересами решени которые помогли бы стабилизировать ситуацию помогли бы народам этого региона реализовать сво право на лучшую жизнь а руководствовались ну методами информационной войны по большому счёту поэтому Я констатирую то что было в те годы и в начале этого года ещ это происходило признаю признаю очень мудрые и важные решения которые Full house translation — pending review
lost the Arab street, lost the Middle East, to our great regret. Our Western partners at that time, some partners from the region, incidentally, at that time, were guided not by interests of solutions that would help stabilize the situation and help the peoples of this region realize their right to a better life, but were guided, to a large extent, by methods of information warfare. Therefore, I state what happened in those years and at the beginning of this year; this occurred. I admit, I admit very wise and important decisions that...
были приняты в конечном итоге нашими западными парт Так что прорыв был результатом подготовительной работы но вторая оговорка по поводу термина прорыв она касается будущего потому что решения которые были приняты по Сирии и по ирану они Далеко ещё пока не реализованы Ну что касается химического разоружения Сирии там процесс идёт Как и договаривались с некоторыми уточнения сроков промежуточных этапов но не по каким-то субъективным обстоятельствам А по объективным причинам и я уверен что конечная цель 30 июня как Full house translation — pending review
were ultimately taken by our Western partners. So the breakthrough was the result of preparatory work. But the second caveat regarding the term 'breakthrough' concerns the future, because the decisions taken on Syria and on Iran are far from being implemented yet. As for the chemical disarmament of Syria, the process is proceeding as agreed, with some clarification of the timelines for intermediate stages, but not due to some subjective circumstances, but due to objective reasons. And I am confident that the final goal is 30 June, as
3 Syria Chemical Disarmament Process
дата завершения операции по уничтожению всего сирийского химического Арсенала будет выдержана но что касается Женевы 2 много Ещё предстоит сделать это далеко не гарантированная мероприятия с точки зрения успеха могу об этом Потом поподробнее сказать это будет интересовать и что касается иранской ядерной программы конечно же согласованы лишь первые фазы достаточно подробно сейчас технические эксперты уже расписывают совсем конкретно те шаги которые будет делать Иран и которые будут делаться мировым сообществом Full house translation — pending review
the date for the completion of the operation to destroy the entire Syrian chemical arsenal will be met, but as for Geneva 2 there is still much to do; this is far from a guaranteed measure in terms of success. I can say more about this later. This will be of interest to... and as for the Iranian nuclear program, of course, only the first phases have been agreed upon in sufficient detail. At present, technical experts are already outlining very specifically the steps that Iran will take and the steps that the international community will take.
навстречу ирану но впереди вторая фаза которая должна проложить такую же чёткую программу встречных шагов до того до той самой точки Гурова которое можно будет назвать окончательно Так что мы на промежуточном этапе сделано немало но каких-то поводов провозглашать победу пока пока я не вижу впереди очень напряжённая работа поэтому лучше не играть победные марши а всё-таки думать о том как довести до конца это очень важное дело и на том и на другом направлении Сергей Викторович Если остаёмся всё такие сирийской Full house translation — pending review
towards Iran but ahead is the second phase which must lay out such a clear program of reciprocal steps before that very point of Gurov which can be called final So we have done much at the intermediate stage but I do not yet see any grounds for proclaiming victory ahead is very tense work so it is better not to play victory marches but rather to think about how to bring this very important matter to an end and on both directions Sergey Viktorovich if we remain all the same Syrian
проблематики и в целом что происходит сейчас во многих странах где произошла революция арабской весны вот конкретно вот баланс между демократией и безопасности насколько сегодня это сложная тематика Какие уроки можно извлечь из так называемый Революции арабской весны и Какие опасности сегодня угрожают с точки зрения терроризма в целом Я думаю сегодня всё меньше и меньше остаётся стран которые отвергают демократию как способ организации жизни общества способ государственного устройства Россия давно сделала для Full house translation — pending review
the problematics and in general what is happening now in many countries where the Arab Spring revolution took place, specifically the balance between democracy and security, how complex this topic is today, what lessons can be drawn from the so-called Arab Spring revolution, and what dangers threaten today from the point of view of terrorism in general. I think today fewer and fewer countries remain that reject democracy as a way of organizing social life, as a form of state organization. Russia has long made for
себя этот выбор он однозначный пересмотру не подлежит Но точно так же как мы убеждены в безальтернативной и каждого государства точно так же мы уверены в том что выбирать конкретную модель демократического развития демократических институтов каждой государство должно с учётом своих традиций своей истории своих ценностей Конечно есть какие-то общие критерии и это те критерии которые на универсальном уровне были единодушно одобрены Ну такие вещи Как устав организации Объединённых Наций как всеобщая декларации прав Full house translation — pending review
this choice for himself is unequivocal and is not subject to reconsideration. But just as we are convinced of the non-alternative nature of each state, so too are we convinced that each state must choose a specific model of democratic development and democratic institutions taking into account its traditions, its history, and its values. Of course, there are certain common criteria, and these are the criteria that were unanimously approved at the universal level. Such things as the Charter of the United Nations Organization and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
5 Democracy and National Sovereignty
человека под который подписались все члены организации Объединённых Наций но когда предпринимаются попытки одной группы стран в дополнение к тому что было универсально принято ещё свою систему далеко не однозначных ценностей которые вот возникли в последние несколько лет может быть пару-тройку десятилетий Навязывать всем остальным в качестве таких же универсальных обязанностей это приводит к конфликтом это приводит к тому что появляется Искушение у некоторых демократию Навязывать силой Извне И вот тогда Full house translation — pending review
of a person under whom all members of the United Nations organization signed, but when attempts are made by one group of countries, in addition to what was universally accepted, to impose their own system of far from unambiguous values that have emerged in recent years, perhaps a couple of decades, on all others as universal obligations, this leads to conflicts. This leads to the temptation for some to impose democracy by force from the outside. And then
демократия [музыка] демократизации общества так было Когда американцы вторглись в Ирак так было происходит сейчас после того как НАТО в нарушении в грубые нарушения мандата Совета Безопасности разбомбил Ливию так происходит и в целом ряде других стран региона где происходит вмешательство Извне сирийский конфликт Он ведь тоже является примером когда огромное количество бойцов так называемого террористического Интернационала со всех концов Света включая европейские страны США включая Российскую Федерацию ринулась Full house translation — pending review
democracy [music] democratization of society. This was when Americans invaded Iraq. This is happening now after NATO, in violation of gross violations of the Security Council mandate, bombed Libya. This is happening in a whole number of other countries in the region where external intervention is taking place. The Syrian conflict is also an example when a huge number of fighters of the so-called terrorist international from all corners of the world, including European countries, the USA, including the Russian Federation, rushed
туда воевать ради того чтобы создать в Сирии халифат И не только в Сирии А во всём регионе по большому счёту поэтому х сомнений на конференции которая вки будет откры Судя по всему 22 января никто не будет оспаривать По крайней мере я надеюсь Очень на это что оппозиция не вынет очередные неприемлемые требования противоречащие российско американской инициативе у меня убеждение что эта конференция на остальных стран региона безусловно там будут и другие вопросы в повестке дня включая решение острых гуманитарных Full house translation — pending review
there to fight in order to create a caliphate in Syria and not only in Syria, but in the entire region in general. Therefore, there are no doubts at the conference that will be opened, apparently on 22 January. No one will dispute, at least I hope very much, that the opposition will not come up with new unacceptable demands contradicting the Russian-American initiative. I am convinced that this conference will include other countries of the region, and there will be other issues on the agenda, including the resolution of acute humanitarian
задач включая согласование политического процесса выборы Как сформировать структуры переходного периода но ВС это это согласи правительства и оппозиции как собственно и записано в Конике которое было принято на первой женевской встречи и в этом плане У меня очень большие надежды на то что наши западные партнёры партнёры из региона которые имеют наибольшее влияние на оппозицию смогут сделать ВС необходимое для того чтобы оппозиция во-первых представительной на этой конференции А во-вторых чтобы она на эту Full house translation — pending review
tasks, including the coordination of the political process, elections, how to form the structures of the transitional period, but this is the agreement of the government and the opposition, as it is written in the document adopted at the first Geneva meeting. In this regard, I have very high hopes that our Western partners, partners from the region who have the greatest influence on the opposition, will do everything necessary for the opposition to be, first of all, representative at this conference, and secondly, for it to be at this
4 Geneva 2 Conference – Prospects and Challenges
конференцию приехала без каких-либо предварительных условий весь весь Пафос российско-американский инициативы заключается именно в этом именно в том чтобы сами сирийцы без вмешательства Извне без каких-то предварительных условий договорились о том как выполнять принципы заключённые в женевском Каменке от 30 июня прошлого года но пока к огромному сожалению сохраняются опасения в отношении того какую В итоге позицию займут оппоненты режима которые сейчас вот объединились в национальную коалицию настораживает то что Full house translation — pending review
the conference arrived without any preliminary conditions the entire entire Paphos of the Russia-American initiative lies precisely in this precisely in the fact that the Syrians themselves without external intervention without any preliminary conditions agree on how to implement the principles contained in the Geneva agreement of 30 of last June but for now to our great regret fears remain regarding the position that the opponents of the regime will eventually take who have now united in the national coalition it is alarming that
7 Terrorism and Extremism in Syria
коалиция проявляет признаки отсутствия полного единства настораживает что коалиция по-прежнему говорит что единственным исходом конференции если не е сре об этом никто никогда не договаривался и настораживает что коалиция по нашей оценке если контролируют то очень слабо и далеко не всех тех кто на земле воюет против режима ещё одна ещё один повод для беспокойство что среди Эх которые преследуют именно экстремистские цели цели создания Халифата введения законов шариата и по сути дела Уже сейчас терроризируют Full house translation — pending review
the coalition shows signs of a lack of full unity it is alarming that the coalition continues to say that the only outcome of the conference if not agreed upon by anyone about this and it is alarming that according to our assessment if they control then very weakly and far from all those who are fighting on the ground against the regime another another reason for concern that among those who pursue specifically extremist goals the goal of creating a caliphate the introduction of sharia laws and in fact already now terrorize
меньшинство создан некий исламский фронт с которым западные коллеги пытаются даже заигрывать хотя им насколько можно понять из доверительных Контактов хоро извест которые сформировали исламский фронт они недалеко ушли от джабхат нус от исламского государства Ирака и леванта и нас это тревожит регулярно происходит инциденты против христиан в Сирии до начала кризиса проживало 2 миллион христиан сейчас если остался миллион то это хорошо статистика ненадежная но я думаю что около миллиона минимум стали беженцами Full house translation — pending review
a minority a certain Islamic front has been created with whom Western colleagues are even trying to play although as far as we can understand from confidential contacts with those who formed the Islamic front they are not far from Jabhat al-Nusra from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and this worries us regularly incidents against Christians in Syria occur before the crisis there lived 2 million Christians now if one million remains then that is good the statistics are unreliable but I think that at least one million became refugees
8 Christian Minorities in Syria
наиболее вызывающие факты известны их и ваш канал показывал Когда в монастыре Святой фкл террористы захватили взяли в заложнице монахинь это в районе Городка маалюля где население единственное в мире место где население говорит на языке Иисуса Христа на арамейском И вообще наши контакты с христианскими общинами в регионе и в Сирии говорят об их очень глубокой тревоги потому что на кону Если хотите двухтысячного слово проживание христиан в регионе Ближнего Востока поэтому договариваться нужно о том какой будет Full house translation — pending review
the most provocative facts are known to you and your channel showed when terrorists took hostages nuns in the monastery of Saint Fkl this is in the area of the town of Maaloula where the population is the only place in the world where the population speaks the language of Jesus Christ in Aramaic and in general our contacts with Christian communities in the region and in Syria speak of their very deep anxiety because at stake if you want the two-thousandth word the residence of Christians in the region of the Near East so we need to agree on what will be
Сирия прежде всего во-первых борьба с терроризмом А с точки зрения политического процесса необходимо чтобы правительство и оппозиция начали с того чтобы зафиксировали общее видение будущего Сирии что это должна быть суверенная независимая страна государство территориальной целостность которую всеми Ува и в котором обеспечиваются все права всех этнических Гру чтобы все из них чувствовали себя в безопасности чувствовали свою сопричастность к политической системе к политической жизни Вот это главная цель а персонале Full house translation — pending review
Syria first and foremost is the fight against terrorism. As for the political process, it is necessary that the government and the opposition begin by recording a common vision of Syria's future: that it should be a sovereign, independent country, a state of territorial integrity that is respected by all, in which all rights of all ethnic groups are ensured so that all of them feel safe, feel their involvement in the political system, in political life. This is the main goal, and personally
и кто потом будет как организовывать Выборы это всё-таки второстепенному что сейчас главная угроза исходит от тех кто поле боя и создать совсем другое государство Вот наверное вкратце Да нас приводит конечно гуманитарная ситуации мы наверное делаем больше чем кто-либо ещё чтобы в контактах и с правительством с гуманитарными агентствами ООН решать конкретные вопросы и эти вопросы постепенно не без труда но решаются Ну представьте себе всё-таки это всё делается в ситуации когда идт война настоящая на огромных Full house translation — pending review
and who will then organize the elections, this is all secondary, the main threat now comes from those on the battlefield and to create a completely different state. Well, that's about it. Of course, we are leading in humanitarian situations; we probably do more than anyone else to work with contacts and with the government and with humanitarian agencies of the UN to resolve specific issues, and these issues are gradually being resolved, not without difficulty. Well, imagine that all this is done in a situation where a real war is going on on a vast scale.
9 Humanitarian Situation in Syria
частях этой страны и мы оказываем гуманитарную помощь и напрямую регулярно натурой направляя медикаменты продовольствия предметы первой необходимости и регулярно внося добровольные взносы в различные гуманитарные агентства системы ООН и через международный комитет Красного Креста но сейчас точно так же как это было с химическим оружием кстати сказать на гуманитарной теме пытаются спекулировать и пытаются накалить страсти причём Как всегда это было вот в случае с химическими отравляющими веществами обвиняя Full house translation — pending review
in parts of this country and we provide humanitarian aid and directly and regularly in kind by sending medicines, food, and essential items and regularly making voluntary contributions to various humanitarian agencies of the UN system and through the International Committee of the Red Cross, but now, just as was the case with chemical weapons, by the way, on the humanitarian issue they try to speculate and try to inflame passions, and, as always, this was the case with chemical poisons, by accusing
правительство во всех грехах в том числе в том что касается гуманитарного кризиса провели какую-то резолюцию на генеральной ассамблее ООН которая вообще не отражает реального положения вещей абсолютно идеологи Зро но за неё проголосовала уже значительно меньше делегаций чем за аналогичную резолюцию в прошлом году ужа гуни так называе рею Совет Безопасности в которой опять потребовать от правительства односторонние меры предпринять угрожая действия по главе седьмой устава это абсолютно бесперспективные затея но Full house translation — pending review
the government in all sins including in what concerns the humanitarian crisis passed some resolution at the UN General Assembly which does not reflect the real situation at all ideologically Zro but for it voted already significantly fewer delegations than for a similar resolution last year ugha guni so called Security Council in which again require from the government unilateral measures to take threatening actions under chapter seven of the charter this is absolutely unpromising venture but
тревожит активизация сторонников Вот таких спойлеров накануне Женевы 2 не условий выдвигают то надо режим сменить то надо заранее сказать что режим по итогам конференции будет сменн то Вот давайте сейчас успокоим гуманитарную ситуацию Только тогда мы поедем в Женеву а гуманитарный ситуация она в общем-то разогревается прежде всего боевиками группировками которые многие страны уже признали в качестве экстремистских и террористических Так что гуманитарная повестка дня должна быть но мы должны всегда видеть задачу Full house translation — pending review
concerns the activation of supporters of spoilers such as these before Geneva 2 not conditions are proposed then it is necessary to change the regime then it is necessary to say in advance that the regime will be changed after the conference so let us now calm the humanitarian situation only then will we go to Geneva and the humanitarian situation is, in general, being heated up primarily by militants and groups that many countries have already recognized as extremist and terrorist so the humanitarian agenda must be but we must always see the task
не в том чтобы бороться с симптомами А чтобы бороться с причинами кризиса А причины кризиса заключаются в том что сейчас в Сирии конкретно неимоверно высока террористическая угроза и в том что нужно правительству и оппозиции договориться о тех параметрах которые они хотят видеть в основе своего государства я о них уже сказал и не случайно кстати сказать не будем забывать о том что на саммите группы восьми в лохне в июне этого года все лидеры восьмёрки в коммюнике призвали правительство И оппозицию в Сирии Full house translation — pending review
not in fighting symptoms but in fighting the causes of the crisis and the causes of the crisis consist in the fact that currently in Syria specifically the terrorist threat is incredibly high and in the fact that the government and the opposition need to agree on those parameters that they want to see as the basis of their state I have already said about them and by the way let us not forget that at the summit of the Group of Eight in Riga in June of this year all leaders of the eight in the communique called upon the government and the opposition in Syria
объединить усилия в борьбе с террористами чтобы победить этих террористов в Сирии и их оттуда изгнать вот думаю сечас это главная задача Но только когда стабилизируется ситуация Когда будут обеспечены права всех меньшинств Когда будет обеспечен многоконфессиональный многоэтажной конечно на первом месте Сергей Викторович хотелось бы ещё поговорить про латинскую Америку которая в последнее время Становится всё более и более привлекательной для многих стран в том числе и для России Однако другим государством которое Full house translation — pending review
to unite efforts in the fight against terrorists to defeat these terrorists in Syria and expel them from there I think now this is the main task but only when the situation stabilizes when the rights of all minorities are ensured when a multi-confessional multi-ethnic is ensured of course first place Sergey Viktorovich I would like to talk more about Latin America which in recent times is becoming more and more attractive for many countries including Russia however another country which
очень активно работает в этом регионе является Китай Прим им интересны те же сферы которые интересны России мы сейчас говорим про транспорт и добычу полезных ископаемых и про оружие как на ваш взгляд будут уживаться интересы России и Китая в регионе и можно ли вообще говорить про соперничеством между Россией и Китаем в Латинской Америке ну знаете если в какой-то стране Латинской Америки проводится тендер на строительство строительство железной дороги строительство автомагистрали какого-то промышленного Full house translation — pending review
works very actively in this region is China Prime Minister interests are interested in the same spheres that are interesting to Russia we are now talking about transport and mining of minerals and about weapons as in your opinion will the interests of Russia and China coexist in the region and can one even speak about competition between Russia and China in Latin America well you know if in some country of Latin America a tender is conducted for the construction of a railway the construction of a highway some industrial
11 Russia-China Cooperation in Latin America
предприятия и в этом тендере заинтересованы принять участие компании из России из Китая то можно говорить об их конкуренции что касается это как говорится уже практическое измерение сотрудничества между Латинской Америкой и её зарубежными партнёрами что касается концептуального подхода то мы никогда не дружим с кем-то против кого-то Мы за то чтобы Каждая страна развивала максимально широкие взаимовыгодные равноправные отношения с теми кто готов выстраивать связи на такой же основе это часть нашей Full house translation — pending review
enterprises and in this tender interested companies from Russia from China then we can speak about their competition as for this as it is said already practical dimension of cooperation between Latin America and its foreign partners as for the conceptual approach then we never be friends with someone against someone We are for that each country develops maximum wide mutually beneficial equal relations with those who are ready to build connections on such a basis this is part of our
внешнеполитической концепции это то что мы называем многовекторность ранов на основе взаимного учта интересов на основе взаимной выгоды к самому глубокому сотрудничеству со всеми государствами Кто готов к этому же Поэтому в современном мире когда и Россия и Китай и многие другие страны становятся экономически более уверенными в себе когда Наши китайские компании имеют достаточно силы средств и амбиций чтобы побороться за перспективные рынки Латинская Америка конечно представляет огромный интерес это быстро Full house translation — pending review
foreign policy concept this is what we call multi-vectorness based on mutual account of interests based on mutual benefit to the deepest cooperation with all states who are ready to this therefore in the modern world when Russia and China and many other countries become economically more confident in themselves when our Chinese companies have enough strength means and ambitions to fight for promising markets Latin America of course represents huge interest this is quickly
10 Latin America as a Multipolar Center
развивающийся регион это регион который всё больше и больше хочет быть самостоятельным и мы это очень ценим Потому что сейчас не так часто самостоятельность в международных делах наблюдается мало кто себе это может пока позволить это регион который однозначно становится одним из центров экономического роста финансовой мощи политического влияния одним из центров формирующегося многополярного мироустройства он очень перспективный страны этого региона политически настроены на одну волну с Россией в том что касается Full house translation — pending review
developing region this is a region which more and more wants to be independent and we value this very much because now not so often independence in international affairs is observed few can afford this for themselves this region which definitely becomes one of the centers of economic growth financial power political influence one of the centers of the emerging multipolar world order it is very promising countries of this region are politically tuned to one wave with Russia in what concerns
подхода к международным делам да и с Китаем тоже у них совпадают эти подходы это уважение международного права уважение Центральной роли ООН неприятие силовых методов урегулирования конфликтов и кризисов исключительно политико методы решения различных международных проблем вот собственно говоря В чём проявляется общность и это политическая близость она естественно создаёт взаимный интерес к тому чтобы на этой основе углублять и экономический культурные связи у [музыка] нас я не ошибусь если скажу Ну скажу для Full house translation — pending review
approach to international affairs and with China too they coincide these approaches this respect of international law respect of the central role of the UN rejection of force methods of resolving conflicts and crises exclusively political methods of solving various international problems here is basically what is manifested in common and this political closeness it naturally creates mutual interest to deepen on this basis economic cultural ties at [music] me I will not be wrong if I say well I will say for
просто страховки Почти со всеми за редчайшим исключением может быть почти со всеми странами Латинской Америки и Карибского бассейна подписано соглашение о безвизовом режиме Это очень важный показатель взаимного доверия и это очень важный инструмент развития и экономических и причём это как торговых так и инвестиционных связей и конечно развития туризма и в целом контактов между людьми поэтому мы живём в глобальном мире и мы рады что регион Латинской Америки притягивает к себе всё больше и больше серьёзных Full house translation — pending review
simply insurance Almost with all except for a very rare exception there can be almost with all countries of Latin America and the Caribbean signed an agreement on a visa-free regime This is a very important indicator of mutual trust and this is a very important tool for the development of economic and moreover both trade and investment ties and of course the development of tourism and contacts between people in general so we live in a global world and we are glad that the region of Latin America attracts to itself more and more serious
12 Russian Diplomatic Pragmatism vs. Cold War Stereotypes
партнёров такой вопрос за рубежом Россию представляет зачастую как страну склоню к таким бурным поспешный решениям Хотя стиль российской дипломатии ровно противоположен Какова роль сегодня стереотипов периода Холодной войны в международной политике Ну вот я с вами полностью согласен что попытки представить наши действия на международной арене как некие сюрпризы продиктованы эмоциями но они абсолютно не отражают действительность это может быть из разряда тех самых информационных войн о которых я говорил в начале Full house translation — pending review
partners such a question abroad Russia is often portrayed as a country prone to such rash hasty decisions although the style of Russian diplomacy is exactly the opposite What is the role today of Cold War stereotypes in international politics Well I fully agree with you that attempts to portray our actions on the international stage as some surprises are driven by emotions but they absolutely do not reflect reality this could be from the realm of those very information wars about which I spoke at the beginning
наши действия Кстати по Сирии по ирану и по другим вопросам Они показывают совершенно обратную картину и говорят о том что мы всегда стремимся действовать Прагматично гибко не загонять себя в угол как это сделали скажем некоторые ещё 2 года назад даже больше чем 2 года назад объявив что асат больше не легитимен и никого не представляет Вот это было конечно эмоциональное поспешные заявление некоторых мировых лидеров как может человек никого не представлять если за ним существенно если не Большая часть населения в Full house translation — pending review
our actions, by the way, regarding Syria, Iran, and other issues, they show a completely opposite picture and say that we always strive to act pragmatically and flexibly, not to corner ourselves, as some did, say, 2 years ago, even more than 2 years ago, by declaring that Assad is no longer legitimate and represents no one. That was, of course, an emotional, hasty statement by some world leaders; how can a person represent no one if substantially, if not the majority of the population stands behind him?
силу разных причин не потому что может быть он пользуется такой народной любовью Но потому что от него зависят большие группы людей и не только и не только меньшинства многие сунниты зависят от него прежде всего в бизнесе который как бы к этому не относится они сделали свой бизнес в период правления семьи Асадов и они убеждены что если будет смена режима такая вот насильственная без политического урегулирования то у них Этот бизнес отнимут Так что он представляет свой народ значительную часть своего народа и Full house translation — pending review
for various reasons not because he may enjoy such popular love but because large groups of people depend on him and not only minorities many Sunnis depend on him first and foremost in business which as it were has nothing to do with this they made their business during the rule of the Assad family and they are convinced that if there is a change of regime such a violent one without political settlement then their business will be taken away so he represents his people a significant part of his people and ]
заявление о том что он нелегитимное вообще не считаться это вот как раз пример пример поспешности непродуманность и сейчас кстати сказать опять-таки Вот Сирия неизбежно приходит в качестве примера когда мы обсуждаем самые разные вопросы сейчас настроение в западных странах оно меняется они становятся более реалистичными в своих подходах к сирийскому урегулированию и чтобы там не опровергает уро тема в Сирии джихадистов и создание Халифата с экстремистскими порядками угроза попрание прав всех меньшинств а может Full house translation — pending review
a statement that it is illegitimate and should not be considered at all is exactly an example of haste and lack of thought, and now, by the way, again, Syria inevitably comes up as an example when we discuss various issues now; the mood in Western countries is changing, they are becoming more realistic in their approaches to the Syrian settlement, and there, no matter what, refutes the lesson in Syria of jihadists and the creation of the Caliphate with extremist orders, the threat of trampling the rights of all minorities, and maybe
быть и угроза жизни меньшинств которые в Сирии сейчас находятся это является главной проблемой и понимание того что смена режима это это далеко не путь решения этой проблемы а может быть даже смена режима это это ускорение прихода к власти террористов это понимание сейчас у наших западных партнеров укрепляется и это даёт надежду на то что всё что от них требуется сделать для успеха женевской конференции они сделают мы свою часть работы выполнили честно правительство заявило о составе своей делегации оппозиция до Full house translation — pending review
be and the threat to the lives of minorities who are currently in Syria is the main problem and the understanding that regime change is far from the solution to this problem and may even be an acceleration of the coming to power of terrorists is this understanding now strengthening among our Western partners and this gives hope that everything that is required from them to do for the success of the Geneva conference they will do we have completed our part of the work honestly the government announced the composition of its delegation the opposition until
сих пор этого не сдела так что надеюсь что Понимание реальной ситуации ври ги будет побуждать наших западных партнеров довести свою часть работы до конца и так как мы договаривались Что же касается в целом российской внешней политики на других направлениях у нас в концепции внешней политики Российской Федерации записаны основные принципы что мы руководствуемся прагматизм руководствуемся стремлением развивать равноправные взаимовыгодные связи со всеми государствами и руководствуемся задачей последовательно твёрдо Full house translation — pending review
so far I have not done so that I hope that understanding the real situation will urge our Western partners to complete their part of the work, and as we agreed, as for Russian foreign policy in general on other directions, in the concept of foreign policy of the Russian Federation, the main principles are recorded that we are guided by pragmatism, we are guided by the desire to develop equal and mutually beneficial relations with all states, and we are guided by the task of consistently and firmly
13 Russia’s Foreign Policy Principles
но без впадая в какую-либо конфронтацию отстаивать национальные интерес законные национальные интересы нашей страны и президент России Путин выступая с посланием федеральному собранию он очень по-моему чётко подтвердил как мы будем действовать Он сказал что мы не претендуем на какието мы не собираем никого поучать не хотим никого учить жизни мы хотим быть лидерами в отстаивании международного права в отстаивании тех принципов которые закреплены в уставе организации Объединённых Наций и чтобы достигать успехов в Full house translation — pending review
but without falling into any confrontation, to defend national interests, the legitimate national interests of our country, and President of Russia Putin, speaking to the Federal Assembly, very clearly, in my opinion, confirmed how we will act. He said that we do not claim to teach anyone, we do not want to teach anyone life; we want to be leaders in defending international law, in defending those principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, and to achieve success in
современных мировых делах тут как раз поспешность совсем пос длях ша такие кризис как сирийский иранский Ну Иран Яр наверно называю кризисом вс-таки ситуации вокруг иранской ядерной программы в целом ситуация на Ближнем Востоке палестинская проблема мы Если говорить о палестино израильском урегулировании мы наиболее последовательно продвигаем прагматичный подход подход который подрыва дове кста сза вот тоже хороший пример главное ведь не только в том чтобы принципы отстаивать публично главное в том чтобы Full house translation — pending review
in modern world affairs here haste is completely detrimental such crises as the Syrian and Iranian ones well I would probably call the situation around the Iranian nuclear program in general the situation in the Middle East the Palestinian problem if we speak about the Palestinian-Israeli settlement we most consistently promote a pragmatic approach an approach that undermines... wait that's also a good example the main thing is not only in publicly upholding principles but mainly in
последовательно пытаться их реализовать на практике вот работал квартет международных посредников России США Евросоюз организации регулярно встречались эксперты министры вырабатывались документы которые содержали принципы предлага вшие с Израилю и палестинцам в качестве основы для начала прямых переговоров активно мы по линии квартета сотрудничали с лигой Арабских государств и хотим это делать но вдруг на каком-то этапе наступила пауза все члены тета были готовы к тому чтобы продолжать с такой же интенсивностью Full house translation — pending review
consistently trying to implement them in practice so the Quartet of international mediators Russia USA European Union regularly met experts ministers documents were developed that contained principles proposed to Israel and Palestinians as a basis for starting direct negotiations actively we cooperated with the League of Arab States through the Quartet and want to do so but suddenly at some stage a pause occurred all members of the Quartet were ready to continue with the same intensity
последовательно но без остановок двигаться к тому чтобы убедить стороны принять за основу те принципы которые помогут им урегулировать этот самый продолжительный конфликт сегодняшнего дня вдруг образовалась Пауза и это тоже плохо и поспешность вредна тех усилий которые делали сообща которые предпринимали сообща это тоже делу не помогает вот сейчас новая администрация Барака Обамы прежде всего в лице госсекретаря Джона Кери с которым мы в очень тесном контакте находимся предпринимает усилия свои собственные Full house translation — pending review
consistently but without stops moving towards convincing the parties to adopt as a basis those principles that will help them resolve this very prolonged conflict of today suddenly a pause formed and that is also bad and haste is harmful to those efforts that were made jointly that were undertaken jointly that also does not help the cause so now the new Obama administration first and foremost through the Secretary of State John Kerry with whom we are in very close contact is making its own efforts
продвижению прямых переговоров в конечном итоге я убежден что также как в случае с сирией с Ираном с другими странами такими как Афганистан Ирак односторонних инициатив недостаточно необходимо опираться на коллективные усилия на те идеи которые выработаны сообща ом хоро у нас форматы есть и Квартет И шестёрка по иранской ядерной программе есть форматы по афганистану сейчас собираются созывать конференции по Ливии В будущем году есть формат по мену не просто идёт работа в каждом из этих форматов Но это Full house translation — pending review
advancing direct negotiations in the end I am convinced that just as in the case of Syria with Iran with other countries such as Afghanistan Iraq unilateral initiatives are insufficient it is necessary to rely on collective efforts on those ideas that are developed jointly we have good formats and the Quartet and the six on the Iranian nuclear program there are formats on Afghanistan now conferences on Libya are being convened next year there is a format on Yemen not only is work going on in each of these formats but this is
коллективный формат и любые ини кое см РОСИ пов че эти фор чтобы формировать клуб единомышленников и уже сообща предлагать конфликтующий сторонам решения которые будут универсально поддержаны вот поэтому ни о какой поспешности в наших действиях речь не идёт И надеюсь что у наших партнёров Искушение что-то урегулировать за один присест Ну тоже не будет проявляться потому что это очень сто может Давайте поговорим про наших соседей потому что последнее время мы видим антироссийскую риторику на Украине и во многих Full house translation — pending review
collective format and any other initiatives of ROSI pov che these forums to form a club of like-minded people and together offer solutions to the conflicting parties that will be universally supported so there is no talk of haste in our actions and I hope that our partners' temptation to resolve something in one go will not manifest itself because this is very costly Let's talk about our neighbors because lately we have seen anti-Russian rhetoric in Ukraine and in many
14 Post-Soviet Anti-Russian Rhetoric
других постсоветских республиках и Можно ли считать что эти элементы становятся некой системой систематичность мне в общем-то досадно что такие проявления сохраняются уже сколько лет про пос во уже и главных протагонистов антагонистов которые в холодную войну поддерживали вот этот вот холод на всм земном шаре не существует Ну по крайней мере не Советского Союза ни Варшавского договора нет о НАТО Пока ещё осталась и руководствоваться В современных не продуктивно и недальновидно знаете мы заинтересованы в том чтобы Full house translation — pending review
in other post-Soviet republics and can we consider that these elements become some kind of system systematicity I'm generally annoyed that such manifestations have persisted for so many years about the Warsaw Pact already and the main protagonists antagonists who during the Cold War supported this very coldness on the entire Earth does not exist Well at least not the Soviet Union nor the Warsaw Pact is gone NATO still remains and to be guided by in modern times is not productive and short-sighted you know we are interested in the fact that to
15 NATO Expansion and Baltic Phobias
Со всеми нашими соседями жить дружно мы в конце концов в том числе и со странами балтии жили в одном государстве создавали сообща промышленность самые различные отрасли которых помогают этим республикам экономически развиваться инфраструктуру конечно же и когда они вот Латвия Литва и Эстония в тот момент когда они вступали скажем в НАТО нам наши западные партнёры это было ещё когда разваливался Советский Союз наши западные партнёры говорили Вы не волнуйтесь ради Бога у них сейчас страхи перед прошлым мы их примем Full house translation — pending review
To live amicably with all our neighbors, we eventually did, including with the Baltic countries, we lived in one state, we jointly created industry, various sectors of which help these republics develop economically, infrastructure, of course, and when they, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, at the moment when they joined, say, NATO, our Western partners, it was still when the Soviet Union was breaking up, our Western partners said, 'Do not worry, for God's sake, they now have fears about the past, we will accept them.']
в НАТО и они будут чувствовать себя в полной безопасности ничего подобного не произошло Да у нас развиваются отношения экономические мы развиваем культурные связи со всеми этими странами заинтересованы в их углублении но вдруг как только собираются они все вместе в рамках североатлантического альянса прова антироссийские фобии вот один из примеров есть такой у нас механизм совет России НАТО в котором мы о многом говорим включая и конечно и против ракетную оборону являющуюся главным раздражителем сейчас в наших Full house translation — pending review
in NATO and they will feel completely secure, nothing like that has happened. Yes, we are developing economic relations, we are developing cultural ties with all these countries, we are interested in their deepening, but suddenly, as soon as they all gather together within the framework of the North Atlantic Alliance, anti-Russian phobias arise. This is one example. We have such a mechanism, the Council of Russia-NATO, in which we talk about many things, including, of course, missile defense, which is now the main irritant in our
отношениях с американцами Ну о ней много и подробно говорили но мы выступаем за то чтобы совет России и НАТО способствовал укреплению доверия которого очень не хватает в еврот отношениях у нас с Европой уровень глубина объём экономических гуманитарных образовательных научных самых разных связей огромен и постоянно растёт и разительно отличается от низкого уровня доверия и военно-политической области поэтому мы всячески продвигаем различные обмены информацией взаимная открытость в отношении военных мероприятий Full house translation — pending review
in relations with the Americans, well, a lot has been said and detailed discussions have taken place, but we advocate for the Council of Russia and NATO to contribute to strengthening trust, of which there is a severe lack in Euro-Atlantic relations. Our ties with Europe in terms of depth, volume, and scope of economic, humanitarian, educational, scientific, and various other connections are enormous and constantly growing, and they differ strikingly from the low level of trust in the military-political sphere. Therefore, we actively promote various exchanges of information and mutual openness regarding military activities.
которые проводятся вблизи границ друг друга вот я только что был недавно в Польше мне Мой коллега министр иностранных дел сказал что они были удовлетворены тем уровнем открытости которые мы проявили при проведении недавно учений Запад 2013 в тоже время примерно в те же сроки проходили учения на территории стран балтии и Польши сфа джаз натовские чисто учения если учения Запад 2013 имели Легенду антитеррористическую тоф джаз натовские учения и у них Легенда была отработка действий выполнени процедур тре п Full house translation — pending review
which are conducted near each other's borders, I was just there recently in Poland. My colleague, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, said that they were satisfied with the level of openness we demonstrated during the recently held Western 2013 exercises. At the same time, approximately during the same period, exercises were conducted on the territory of the Baltic states and Poland, SFA, Jazz NATO exercises, purely exercises. If the Western 2013 exercises had an anti-terrorist legend, then the SFA, Jazz NATO exercises also had a legend of training actions, performing procedures, etc.
16 Russia-NATO Military Exercises and Trust Deficit
вашингтонского договора А это статья о коллективной самообороне Мы ещё на стадии подготовки этих учений спрашивали у натовских партнёров что это означает самооборона От кого если это проводится Тем более на наших границах Балтия Ну и Польша рядом и нам ничего внятного не отвечали но когда эти учения в конце концов состоялись то представители и Польши и стран балтии публично заявили заявляли что они эти результат этих учений подтвердил готовность блока защищать наши страны от угрозы с востока Ну вот да проявляются Full house translation — pending review
of the Washington Treaty, and this is an article on collective self-defense. We asked our NATO partners what self-defense means at this stage of preparing these exercises. From whom, if it is conducted, especially on our borders, the Baltic states, and Poland is nearby, and we received no clear answer. But when these exercises finally took place, representatives of Poland and the Baltic states publicly stated that the results of these exercises confirmed the bloc's readiness to defend our countries from threats from the east. Well, that is how it is showing itself.
вот такие фобии И это печально мы об этом честно говорили на последнем заседании совета России НАТО на уровне министров по-прежнему сохраняется наших некоторых партнеров в Европе не без воздействия вот этих фобий желание сохранять разделительные линии в Европе и даже двигать эти линии на восток рассматривать положение дел На огромном нашем материке Евразии через призму свой чужой либо с нами либо против нас игры с нулевым результатом попыт сделать Украину объектом геополитической борьбы а не губитель и для Full house translation — pending review
here are such phobias and this is sad we honestly discussed this at the last Russia-NATO Council meeting at the ministerial level some of our partners in Europe still maintain these phobias the desire to preserve dividing lines in Europe and even push these lines eastwards viewing the situation on our vast Eurasian continent through the prism of their own or our own either with us or against us zero-sum games attempting to make Ukraine an object of geopolitical struggle rather than a victim
Украины и для и для Европы потому что это абсолютно противоречит современным европейским устремлениям это противоречит тем задачам которые выдвигали выдающие европейски едим пространстве от Атлантики до Урала Теперь мы говорим о том что нужно выстраивать едино экономическое гуманитарное пространство от Лиссабона до Владивостока и эту идею которую выд президент Путин В общем никто не отвергает более того председатель европейской [музыка] комиссии ВМ де Почему эта идея звучит А на практике реализуются совсем другие Full house translation — pending review
of Ukraine and for Europe because this absolutely contradicts modern European aspirations, it contradicts the tasks that were put forward by outstanding European space from the Atlantic to the Urals. Now we are talking about the need to build a single economic and humanitarian space from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and this idea, which President Putin put forward, in general, no one rejects, moreover, the chairman of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker. Why does this idea sound, but in practice, completely different things are implemented.
замыслы и то что сейчас после кризиса на Украине ответственные европейские политики начинают говорить иначе чем звучало до кризиса А до кризиса говорили что Украина обязана сделать Свободный выбор в пользу ассоциации с европейским союзом то сейчас говорят уже о том что нельзя недооценивать тот факт что Украина Находится между своими соседями на Востоке и соседями на западе И что И с теми и с другими с россие с евросоюзом у неё значительные объёмы экономических и прочих связей и что нужно искать такие пу развития Full house translation — pending review
the plans and the fact that now after the crisis in Ukraine responsible European politicians begin to speak differently than before the crisis, whereas before the crisis they said that Ukraine is obliged to make a free choice in favor of an association with the European Union, but now they already say that one cannot underestimate the fact that Ukraine is located between its neighbors to the east and neighbors to the west, and that with both, with Russia and with the European Union, it has significant volumes of economic and other ties, and that one needs to seek such paths of development
17 Ukraine Crisis and EU Association
сотрудничества кое будут сложность этих факторов это ровно то что за что высказался наш президент когда премьер-министр Украины Николай Азаров В разгар кризиса в разгар эмоций после объявления Украины своего решения отложить подписание как минимум соглашения с евросоюзом а проведение трехсторонних консультаций между Украиной Россией и Евросоюз Владимир Путин это поддержал потому что мы признаём что Украины есть интересы и у Евросоюза есть интересы в том что касается Отношений между ними мы не хотим чтобы наши Full house translation — pending review
cooperation, which will be the complexity of these factors, is exactly what our president spoke about when the Prime Minister of Ukraine, Nikolai Azarov, in the midst of a crisis, in the midst of emotions, after Ukraine announced its decision to postpone signing at least an agreement with the European Union and the holding of trilateral consultations between Ukraine, Russia, and the European Union, Vladimir Putin supported this because we recognize that Ukraine has interests and the European Union has interests in what concerns relations between them, we do not want our
интересы в том что касается российско украинские отношения игнорировали но тогда евронот Ронни консультаций отвергли сейчас в частности руководство Германии устан [музыка] и устами министра иностранных дел Франка Вальтера штайнмайера говорят о том что надо учитывать реальную ситуацию и искать пути сотрудничества которые будут выгодны и приемлемы для всех Я такие заявления могу только приветствовать Поэтому нужно избавляться от этих фобий Я понимаю что старые привычки умирают долго и трудно но наверное Full house translation — pending review
interests in what concerns Russian-Ukrainian relations ignored but then Euro-nott Ronni consultations rejected now in particular the leadership of Germany ustan [music] and in the words of the German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier say that we need to take into account the real situation and seek ways of cooperation that will be beneficial and acceptable for all I can only welcome such statements Therefore we need to get rid of these phobias I understand that old habits die hard and difficult but probably
ответственные европейские политики должны помогать выстраивать такую политику Евросоюза которая всё-таки будет учитывать законные интересы и России и Украины и всех других стран на так называемом постсоветском пространстве и По мере того как мы будем политически такую атмосферу создавать то как в рамках процессов евразийской интеграции мы участники этих процессов будем повышать свою конкурентоспособность и в промышленности и в сельском хозяйстве и в сфере новых технологий мы будем тогда более готовы на равных на Full house translation — pending review
responsible European politicians must help build such a policy of the European Union that will actually take into account the legitimate interests of Russia, Ukraine, and all other countries in the so-called post-Soviet space, and as we create such an atmosphere politically, within the framework of Eurasian integration processes, we, as participants in these processes, will increase our competitiveness in industry, agriculture, and the field of new technologies, and then we will be more ready to engage on equal and
более выгодных условиях вести разговор о дополнительной либерализации торговых инвестиционных режимов между Россией всеми нашими и европейским союзом то есть уже продвигаться на практике к тому самому вот идеалу выстраивания экономического гуманитарного пространства от Атлантики до Тихого океана Сергей Викторович мы поговорили уже про Сирию про Иран Но помимо этих проблем этот год безусловно ещ нам запомнился и грандиозным скандалом по слежке США как за обычными гражданами так и за мировыми лидерами на ваш взгляд Full house translation — pending review
more favorable terms in discussions about additional liberalization of trade and investment regimes between Russia and all our partners and the European Union, that is, to move in practice towards that very ideal of building an economic and humanitarian space from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Sergey Viktorovich, we have already talked about Syria and Iran. But besides these problems, this year undoubtedly also left us with a grand scandal about US surveillance of both ordinary citizens and world leaders. In your opinion,
достаточно ли среагировала Международное сообщество на данные обнародованные Эдвардом сноуденом и повлияло ли это вообще на авторитет США этого вопроса совсем недавно касался президент Путин на своей большой пресс-конференции и я выделю те его слова в которых он выразил надежду что вс-таки задачей которая стоит перед специальными службами Соединенных Штатов прежде всего является борьба с терроризмом и предотвращение террористических актов Это наша общая задача и мы заинтересованы в том чтобы максимально Full house translation — pending review
was the international community's response sufficient to the information disclosed by Edward Snowden, and did this affect the credibility of the US at all? This question was recently addressed by President Putin at his large press conference, and I will highlight his words in which he expressed hope that the task standing before the special services of the United States is primarily the fight against terrorism and the prevention of terrorist acts. This is our common task, and we are interested in maximizing
18 Snowden and US Surveillance Reaction
эффективно объединять усилия мирового сообщества и в рамках ООН и в рамках других структур по пресечению террористической угро что касается Эдварда Сноудена что кто-то был шокирован самим фактом вот тех разоблачений которые последовали шок наступил от того что это всё было про было сделано достоянием гласности то есть ну как бы о таких вещах не принято говорить вслух в приличном обществе а тут вдруг все сказали все стали все узнали об этом реакция была я бы сказал ожидаемой кому это понравится насчёт того что Full house translation — pending review
the effective coordination of efforts of the international community within the UN and within other structures to curb the terrorist threat. As for Edward Snowden, someone was shocked by the very fact of the revelations that followed; the shock came from the fact that all this was made public, that is, as if such things are not supposed to be spoken aloud in decent society, and then suddenly everyone said it, everyone found out about it. The reaction was, I would say, expected. Who would like it?
конкретно сделало мировое сообщество Ну вот генеральная Ассамблея ООН приняла единогласно резолюцию которая осуждает использование Вот таких методов для вмешательства в частную жизнь скажу больше мы ещ мы Российская Федерация ещ пару лет назад предлагали в рамках организации по безопасности и сотрудничеству в Европе принять резолюцию которая предостерегал бы от злоупотребления интернетом прежде всего с точки зрения недопустимости вмешательство в частную жизнь нам отвечали отказом сейчас кстати в рамках вот Full house translation — pending review
specifically, the international community has done so. Indeed, the UN General Assembly unanimously adopted a resolution condemning the use of such methods for interference in private life. To put it more strongly, we, the Russian Federation, a couple of years ago proposed within the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe to adopt a resolution warning against the abuse of the internet, primarily from the standpoint of the inadmissibility of interference in private life. We were met with a refusal. Now, incidentally, within the aforementioned
министерской сессии обсе которая в начале декабря состоялась мы вновь привлекли к этому внимание и напомнили о том что пару лет назад обсе не захотела такое решение принимать А теперь его приняла уже генеральная Ассамблея ООН то есть в об обсе которая ну считает себя законодателем мот в известной степени оказалось в отстающих Главное чтобы были сделаны выводы мы слышали о том что президент Обама сделал соответствующее поручение о подготовке предложений которые нацелены на то чтобы злоупотребление не допускалось в Full house translation — pending review
at the ministerial session of the OSE which took place at the beginning of December, we once again drew attention to this and reminded that a couple of years ago the OSE did not want to adopt such a decision. Now it is the UN General Assembly that has adopted it, that is, the OSE which, to a certain extent, considers itself the legislator, has ended up in the rear. The main thing is that conclusions are drawn. We have heard that President Obama issued a corresponding instruction to prepare proposals aimed at preventing abuse in
разведывательной деятельности Мы убеждены также что проблема требует большего внимания с точки зрения системного подхода к сотрудничеству я упомянул об одном об одной теме недопустимо обсуждается в целом проблема управления интернетом есть такая всемирная Всемирный Союз электросвязи такая организация вот в ней идут дискуссии о том как сделать так чтобы интернет не становился орудием продвижения чьих-то односторонних интересов разговор непростой сейчас не буду вдаваться в детали вы прекрасно понимаете о ЧМ идт Full house translation — pending review
intelligence activities We are also convinced that the issue requires greater attention from the perspective of a systemic approach to cooperation. I mentioned one topic: it is impermissible to discuss the issue of internet governance as a whole. There is such a global organization, the International Telecommunication Union, where discussions are taking place on how to ensure that the internet does not become a tool for promoting someone's unilateral interests. This is not an easy conversation; I will not go into details now. You understand perfectly well about the World Cup.
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речь Но то что такая тема уже Т на Я считаю важ есть и инициатива На этот счёт которые Россия продвигает вместе со своими партнёрами по шанхайской организации сотрудничества мы внесли в ООН специальный документ о нормах поведения в сфере международной информационной безопасности Мы предлагаем нашим партнёрам по НАТО создать в рамках совета России НАТО специальный механизм или рамки га по проблеме кибербезопасности натовцы отказываются Я думаю что не в Малой степени потому что вот эти фобии у некоторых Full house translation — pending review
speech But the fact that such a topic is already T, I consider it important, and there are initiatives on this matter which Russia is advancing together with its partners in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. We have submitted a special document to the UN on norms of behavior in the field of international information security. We are proposing to our NATO partners to create within the Russia-NATO Council a special mechanism or framework on the issue of cybersecurity. The NATO people refuse. I think that not to a small degree because these phobias in some
стран-членов НАТО сохраняются а вот с соединёнными штатами Мы создали двустороннюю рабочую группу в рамках большой президентской комиссии которая занимается вопросами международной информационной безопасности Ну или кибербезопасности ивы контакты в рамках Котово том что необходимость наведения какого-то элементарного порядка в этой сфере чтобы интернет не становился инструментом для террористов для прочих преступников для продвижения детской порнографии и многого другого чего нельзя допускать и что сейчас Full house translation — pending review
member states of NATO are maintained but with the United States we have created a bilateral working group within the large presidential commission that deals with issues of international information security or cyber security and our contacts within the Kotov that the necessity of establishing some kind of elementary order in this sphere so that the internet does not become a tool for terrorists for other criminals for the promotion of child pornography and much more that cannot be allowed and that is now
практически никем не регулируется и послед господин министр одно из препятствий сова Женева 2 Бари это участие Ирана где и заба до сих пор упирается обратного может эта конференция состоится без Ирана до конца вопрос не решён действительно в том перечне стран который согласовывается э Иран взят в скобки Пока ещё мы убеждены что все те кто влияет на ситуацию должны быть приглашены и Если говорить о странах региона то Прежде всего это все соседи Сирии и другие ведущие страны из которых выделю Иран и саудовскую Full house translation — pending review
is practically unregulated and then Mr. Minister one of the obstacles Geneva 2 Bari this is the participation of Iran where and trouble so far is stuck backwards maybe this conference will take place without Iran to the end the question is not really resolved indeed in that list of countries which is being agreed upon Iran is taken in parentheses For now we are convinced that all those who influence the situation should be invited and If we talk about countries in the region then first of all this is all the neighbors of Syria and other leading countries from which I will single out Iran and Saudi Arabia
аравию эти две страны сейчас ассоциируются с очень опасной Темой они ассоциируются с тем что назревает если уже не назрел раскол между мусульманами внутри Ислама жду сунита иши этого нез допу стати сузма происходят серьёзнейшее трения это это это очень опасно поэтому Саудовской Аравии как страна Хранитель двух мусульманских святынь с преобладающим сунис населением страна которая не скрывает своей заинтересованности в том чтобы сменить режим асада с одной стороны и Иран как страна которая стремится быть лидером Full house translation — pending review
Arabia these two countries are now associated with a very dangerous topic they are associated with what is brewing if it has not yet matured a rift between Muslims within Islam waiting for a Sunni and Shi'a this is not allowed to happen serious friction occurs this this this is very dangerous therefore Saudi Arabia as a country Guardian of two Muslim holy sites with a predominantly Sunni population a country that does not hide its interest in changing the Assad regime on one side and Iran as a country that strives to be a leader
шиитского мира мусульманского и которые тоже не скрывает своей заинтересованности в том чтобы режим остался и чтобы было достигнуто политическое урегулирование Конечно они должны быть среди участников этой конференции потому что в любом случае Они будут на эту ситуацию вть не участвовали в общем разговоре чтобы они были частью общего формата и слушали мнение всех тех кто на эту конференцию будет приглашён прежде всего правительство и оппозиции но также и тех кто поддерживает различные стороны в сирийском Full house translation — pending review
of the Shia Muslim world and who also do not hide their interest in the fact that the regime remains and that a political settlement is achieved. Of course, they must be among the participants of this conference because in any case they will be involved in this situation. They should not participate in the general discussion so that they are part of the general format and listen to the opinions of all those who will be invited to this conference, first and foremost the government and the opposition, but also those who support various sides in Syria.
20 Iran’s Participation in Geneva 2 and Sectarian Divide
конфликте делать вид что это не так это не Прагматично вот это как раз идеологий подход который вредит делу говорят что Иран он играет контрпродуктивно среди тех и что он не подписался под положениями женевского камени от прошлого года на основе которого и созывается Женевы но среди тех названий государств против которых у Запада нет возражений которые а просто работают на срыв соз Женевы и все прекрасно знат Так что необходимость участия Ирана нам очевидна она очевидна по большому счёту всем в пользу этого Full house translation — pending review
in the conflict pretending that it is not so is not pragmatic this is exactly the ideological approach that harms the cause they say that Iran plays counterproductively among them and that it did not sign the provisions of the Geneva agreement of last year on the basis of which Geneva is convened but among those states against which the West has no objections which simply work to sabotage the convening of Geneva and everyone knows well so the necessity of Iran's participation is obvious to us it is obvious to everyone in general for the sake of this
выступили и европейцы к этому готовы и арабы Зай секретарь у Соединённых Штатов сохраняются сомнения но время ещ есть будем будем с ними разговаривать в конце концов Когда соединённым штатам нужно было решать свои проблемы в Ираке или в Афганистане в прошлые годы Вашингтон не задумываясь Шёл на прямые контакты с Ираном и там никакая идеология его не останавливала Но если это было возможно для решения американских интересов то почему этого нельзя делать зал сарам Когда на кону интересы Сирии напомню между прочим Full house translation — pending review
Europeans have also spoken and are ready for this and the Arabs Zay the Secretary of the United States retains doubts but there is still time we will talk with them in the end when the United States needed to solve its problems in Iraq or in Afghanistan in past years Washington went to direct contacts with Iran without thinking and there no ideology stopped it but if this was possible for the solution of American interests then why this cannot be done with the Arabs when the interests of Syria are at stake let me remind you by the way
что когда Афганистан был Во власти талибов действовала группа 6 П2 соседей Афганистана и Россия и США Иран был частью этой группы и тоже подтвердил свою способность работать в коллективных форматах и быть частью решения а не частью проб СБО отвечать на наши вопросы Спасибо вам большое Full house translation — pending review
when Afghanistan was under the control of the Taliban a group of 6 P2 neighbors of Afghanistan and Russia and the United States and Iran was part of this group and also confirmed its ability to work in collective formats and be part of the solution and not part of the problem to answer our questions thank you very much
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Kind: captions Language: en Dear Sergey Viktorovich, Thank you for finding the time to meet with us today. Three editorial offices are present here: Spanish, Arabic, and English. If my colleagues have no objections, I will begin first. So, 2013 was quite a turning point for Russian diplomacy. How do you personally assess the agreements on Syria and Iran? And what are the prospects for the Geneva 2 conference? Agreements are good and useful. I think that this success was ensured by collective efforts.
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It once again proved that only together, when we honestly implement some initiatives based on a balance of interests and international law, can they be achievable. I would not call this year a breakthrough if we talk about Syria and Iran. Firstly, what happened, referring to the agreements on the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons. The agreement on the creation of Geneva 2.
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The initial agreements on what needs to be done to move towards a settlement of the Iranian nuclear program are the result of many years of effort, at least as far as Syria is concerned. Almost three years of efforts that our country has undertaken to defend international law, and what happened. For more than three years, we have been striving for two things regarding the Iranian nuclear program.
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First, to reach an agreement with all participants in these negotiations that their ultimate goal is to resolve the situation in such a way as to recognize Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program, including enriching uranium for the purpose of producing fuel for nuclear weapons, while removing all questions and all doubts regarding the possibility of a military dimension to this nuclear program, while placing this peaceful nuclear program under the complete control of the Maga and, in general, acting in such a way as to ensure security in the region, the security of all countries located here, including Israel.
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This statement, in my opinion, is fair, comprehensive, it takes into account the interests of the international community, Western countries, and countries in the region, as well as the interests of Iran and the interests of the nuclear non-proliferation regime. And so, literally at the last turn of the outgoing year, we managed to agree on such an agreement. It exists. The second point, which we have also advocated for many years, is to develop a kind of roadmap.
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Now this word, this expression has become fashionable because a settlement cannot be achieved in one go, and we proposed moving forward based on the principles of reciprocity and The gradual approach means that Iran is taking a step towards meeting the demands formulated by the International Atomic Energy Agency and supported by the International Security Council, and the international community, in response, is taking a step to ease the sanctions regime, and so on until Iran fully satisfies all our demands and, accordingly, all sanctions are completely lifted.
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These two things are the first, the conceptual goal of the negotiations, the so-called end game, and the second, the method of negotiations, which we have been promoting for several years, just as we defended the need for a political settlement around Syria. Therefore, if this is Il-Prov, it is provided by the many years of work patience of the Russian Federation.
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Because we declared ourselves at the beginning of the Arab Spring at the wrong end of history, they said that we had lost the Arab street, lost the Middle East. Unfortunately, our Western partners at that time, by the way, some partners from the region at that time were guided not by the interests of decisions that would help stabilize the situation and help the peoples of this region realize their right to a better life, but were guided by, well, methods of information warfare, by and large.
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Therefore, I am stating what happened in those years and at the beginning of this year, this was still happening. I admit, I admit, very wise and important. decisions that were ultimately made by our Western partners. So the breakthrough was the result of preparatory work, but the second caveat regarding the term breakthrough concerns the future because the decisions that were made on Syria and Iran are far from being implemented.
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Well, as far as the chemical disarmament of Syria is concerned, the process is ongoing. As agreed, with some clarification of the timing of the intermediate stages, but not for any subjective circumstances. But for objective reasons, and I am confident that the final goal of June 30 as the completion date of the operation to destroy the entire Syrian chemical arsenal will be met. But as for Geneva 2, much remains to be done. This is far from a guaranteed event in terms of success. I can talk about this later.
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This will be of interest. And as for the Iranian nuclear program, of course, only the first phases have been agreed upon in sufficient detail. Now, technical experts are already describing in detail the steps that Iran will take and that will be taken by the world community to meet Iran halfway, but the second phase is ahead, which should lay out an equally clear program of reciprocal steps up to that very point of Gurov, which can be called final.
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So, we are A lot has been done at the intermediate stage, but I don't see any reasons to declare victory yet. There is very intense work ahead, so it's better not to play victory marches, but still think about how to complete this very important matter in both directions. Sergey Viktorovich. If we continue to be like this, the Syrian problem and, in general, what is happening now in many countries where the Arab Spring revolution took place.
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Specifically, the balance between democracy and security is how complex this topic is today. What lessons can be learned from the so-called Arab Spring Revolution and what dangers threaten today from the point of view of terrorism in general. I think today there are fewer and fewer countries that reject democracy as a way of organizing the life of society as a form of government. Russia has long made this choice for itself; it is unambiguous and cannot be revised.
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But just as we are convinced that there is no alternative for each state, we are also confident that each state should choose a specific model of democratic development of democratic institutions taking into account its traditions, its history, its values.
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Of course, there are some general criteria, and these are the criteria that were unanimously agreed upon at the universal level. approved Well, things like the Charter of the United Nations, like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which all members of the United Nations have signed, but when attempts are made by one group of countries, in addition to what has been universally accepted, to impose their own system of far from unambiguous values ​​that have emerged in the last few years, maybe a couple of decades, on everyone else as the same universal obligations, this leads to conflict, this leads to the emergence of a temptation for some to impose democracy by force from the outside.
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And then democracy democratization of society, this was the case When the Americans invaded Iraq, this is what is happening now after NATO, in gross violation of the mandate of the Security Council, bombed Libya, this is what is happening in a number of other countries in the region where intervention is taking place.
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The Syrian conflict from the outside is also an example when a huge number of fighters of the so- called terrorist International from all over the world, including European countries, the USA, including the Russian Federation, rushed there to fight in order to create a caliphate in Syria. And not only in Syria, but throughout the region. By and large, therefore, there are no doubts at the conference that will open on January 22. Apparently, no one will dispute this.
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At least, I very much hope that the opposition will not make further unacceptable demands that contradict the Russian- American initiative. I am convinced that this conference for other countries in the region will certainly have other issues on the agenda, including solving pressing humanitarian problems, including coordinating the political process of elections.
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How to form the structures of the transition period, but the Supreme Council is an agreement between the government and the opposition, as actually recorded in Konik, which was adopted at the first Geneva meeting. In this regard, I have very high hopes that our Western partners, partners from the region who have the greatest influence on the opposition, will be able to do what is necessary to ensure that the opposition, firstly, is representative at this conference.
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And secondly, so that it comes to this conference without any preconditions. The whole pathos of the Russian-American initiative lies precisely in this: that the Syrians themselves, without outside interference, without any preconditions, agree on how to implement the principles concluded in Geneva Kamenka. June 30th of last year, but unfortunately, there are still concerns about what position the opponents of the regime, who have now united in a national coalition, will ultimately take.
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It is alarming that the coalition is showing signs of a lack of complete unity. It is alarming that the coalition continues to say that the only outcome of the conference, if not the environment, no one has ever agreed on this, and it is alarming that the coalition, in our assessment, if it controls, then very weakly and far from all those on the ground fighting against the regime.
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Another reason for concern is that among those who are pursuing precisely extremist goals, the goal of creating a Caliphate, introducing Sharia law, and in fact, a certain Islamic front has already been created that Western colleagues are even trying to flirt with, although, as far as can be understood from confidential contacts, they are well known. Those who formed the Islamic front are not far removed from Jabhat Nus, from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and this worries us.
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Incidents against Christians in Syria occur regularly. Before the crisis, 2 million Christians lived there, now if there is a million left, then This is good, the statistics are unreliable, but I think that at least a million have become refugees. The most provocative facts are known, and your channel showed them. When terrorists captured and took hostage nuns in the monastery of St.
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Phillips, this is in the area of ​​the town of Maaloula, where the population is the only place in the world where the population speaks the language of Jesus Christ, Aramaic. And in general, our contacts with Christian communities in the region and in Syria indicate their very deep concern because at stake. If you want the two thousandth word, the residence of Christians in the Middle East region, therefore, we need to agree on what Syria will be like, first of all, the fight against terrorism.
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And from the point of view of the political process, it is necessary for the government and the opposition to begin by establishing a common vision of the future of Syria: it should be a sovereign, independent country, a state of territorial integrity respected by all, and in which all the rights of all ethnic groups are ensured, so that all of them feel safe, feel their involvement in the political system, in political life. This is the main goal. And who will then organize the elections?
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Elections are still secondary that now the main threat comes from those who are on the battlefield and create a completely different state. That's probably in short. Yes, of course, the humanitarian situation is driving us, we probably do more than anyone else to resolve specific issues in contacts with the government and UN humanitarian agencies, and these issues are gradually being resolved, not without difficulty.
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Well, imagine, after all, all this is being done in a situation when there is a real war going on in huge parts of this country and we provide humanitarian aid and directly, regularly sending medicines, food, essential items in kind and regularly making voluntary contributions to various humanitarian agencies of the UN system and through the International Committee of the Red Cross.
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But now, just like it was with chemical weapons, by the way, they are trying to speculate on the humanitarian issue are trying to inflame passions. As was always the case with chemical toxic substances, accusing the government of all sins, including those related to the humanitarian crisis, they passed some resolution at the UN General Assembly that does not at all reflect the real state of affairs.
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Absolutely ideologists, but for it Significantly fewer delegations have already voted than for a similar resolution last year. The so-called Security Council, in which they again demand that the government take unilateral measures by threatening to act under Chapter VII of the Charter, is an absolutely hopeless undertaking. But the activation of supporters is alarming. These are the kinds of spoilers they are putting forward on the eve of Geneva.
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Two conditions are not being put forward: first, the regime must be changed, then it must be stated in advance that the regime will be changed following the conference. So, let's calm the humanitarian situation now. Only then will we go to Geneva. The humanitarian situation, in general, is being fueled primarily by militant groups that many countries have already recognized as extremist and terrorist.
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So, there must be a humanitarian agenda, but we must always see the task not in fighting the symptoms, but in fighting the causes of the crisis. And the causes of the crisis are that right now in Syria, specifically, the terrorist threat is incredibly high and that the government and the opposition need to agree on the parameters they want to see as the basis of their state. I have already mentioned them, and it is no coincidence, by the way.
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Let's not forget that at the G8 summit in Lochna in June of this year, all the G8 leaders in a communiqué called on the government and the opposition in Syria to join forces in the fight against terrorists in order to defeat these terrorists in Syria and drive them out of there. I think this is the main task now. But only when the situation stabilizes. When the rights of all minorities are ensured. When multi-confessional multi-story buildings are ensured.
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Of course, in the first place, Sergey Viktorovich, I would also like to talk about Latin America, which has recently become more and more attractive for many countries, including Russia. However, another state that is very active in this region is China. Note that they are interested in the same areas that are interesting to Russia. We are now talking about transport and mining and weapons.
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How, in your opinion, will the interests of Russia and China coexist in the region and is it even possible to talk about rivalry between Russia and China in Latin America? Well, you know, if in some Latin American country a tender is held for the construction of a railway, the construction of a highway, some industrial enterprise, and in this If companies from Russia and China are interested in participating in the tender, then we can talk about their competition.
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As for this, as they say, is the practical dimension of cooperation between Latin America and its foreign partners. As for the conceptual approach, we never make friends with anyone against anyone. We are in favor of each country developing the broadest possible mutually beneficial equal relations with those who are ready to build ties on the same basis. This is part of our foreign policy concept.
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This is what we call a multi-vector approach based on mutual consideration of interests, based on mutual benefit, towards the deepest cooperation with all states. Who is ready for the same. Therefore, in the modern world, when both Russia and China and many other countries are becoming more economically confident in themselves, when our Chinese companies have enough strength, resources, and ambitions to compete for promising markets, Latin America is certainly of great interest. It is a rapidly developing region.
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It is a region that increasingly wants to be independent, and we value this very much. Because independence in international affairs is not often observed now. Few can afford it yet. This is a region that is clearly becoming one of the centers of economic growth, financial power, and political influence. One of the centers. The emerging multipolar world order is very promising.
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The countries of this region are politically aligned with Russia in terms of their approach to international affairs, and they also share these approaches with China: respect for international law, respect for the central role of the UN, rejection of forceful methods of resolving conflicts and crises, exclusively political methods of solving various international problems.
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In what way do we have common ground, and this political closeness naturally creates mutual interest in deepening economic and cultural ties on this basis. I won't be mistaken if I say. Well, I'll say just to be on the safe side. With almost all, with rare exceptions, perhaps with almost all countries of Latin America and the Caribbean, an agreement on a visa-free regime has been signed.
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This is a very important indicator of mutual trust, and it is a very important tool for the development of both economic and, moreover, trade and investment ties, and of course, the development of tourism and, in general, contacts between people. Therefore, we live in a global world, and we are glad that the Latin American region is attracting more and more serious partners. Such a question is often presented abroad. Russia is presented as a country that will incline to such stormy, hasty decisions.
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Although The style of Russian diplomacy is exactly the opposite. What is the role of Cold War stereotypes in international politics today? Well, I completely agree with you that attempts to present our actions on the international stage as some kind of surprises are dictated by emotions, but they absolutely do not reflect reality. This may be from the category of those very information wars that I spoke about at the beginning of our actions. By the way, on Syria, on Iran and on other issues.
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They show a completely opposite picture and say that we always strive to act pragmatically, flexibly, not to drive ourselves into a corner, as some did, say, 2 years ago, even more than 2 years ago, announcing that Assad is no longer legitimate and does not represent anyone. This was, of course, an emotional hasty statement by some world leaders. How can a person represent no one if he has significant, if not...
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The majority of the population, for various reasons, not because maybe he enjoys such popular love, but because large groups of people depend on him, and not only and not only minorities. Many Sunnis depend on him primarily in business, which, no matter what, is not related to this. They built their business during the reign of the Assad family and they are convinced that if there is a change. The regime is so violent without a political settlement, then this business will be taken away from them.
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So, he represents a significant part of his people, and the statement that he is illegitimate is not considered at all. This is just an example of haste and thoughtlessness, and now, by the way, again, Syria inevitably comes up as an example when we discuss a variety of issues. Now the mood in Western countries is changing.
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They are becoming more realistic in their approaches to the Syrian settlement, and no matter what the Uro-Uro denies, the topic of jihadists in Syria and the creation of a Caliphate with an extremist order is a threat to the rights of all minorities, and perhaps a threat to the lives of minorities who are currently in Syria. This is the main problem, and the understanding that regime change is far from the solution to this problem, and perhaps even regime change will accelerate the rise to power of terrorists.
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This understanding is now strengthening among our Western partners, and this gives hope that all that is required of them They will do their part to ensure the success of the Geneva Conference. We have done our part honestly. The government announced the composition of its delegation, but the opposition has not yet done so. I hope that an understanding of the real situation will encourage our Western partners to complete their part of the work, as we agreed.
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As for Russian foreign policy in general in other areas, our concept of the foreign policy of the Russian Federation contains the basic principles that we are guided by pragmatism, guided by the desire to develop equal, mutually beneficial relations with all states, and guided by the task of consistently and firmly defending national interests, the legitimate national interests of our country, without falling into any confrontation.
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Russian President Putin, in his address to the Federal Assembly, very clearly confirmed, in my opinion, how we will act. He said that we do not claim any special status. We are not going to lecture anyone, we do not want to teach anyone how to live, we want to be leaders in upholding international law, in upholding the principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, and in order to achieve success in modern world affairs.
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It's just that haste is completely useless for such crises as the Syrian Iranian one. Well, Iran, I probably call it a crisis, after all, the situation around the Iranian nuclear program in general, the situation in the Middle East, the Palestinian problem. If we talk about the Palestinian- Israeli settlement, we most consistently promote a pragmatic approach, an approach that undermines trust, by the way, this is also a good example.
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The main thing is not only to publicly defend principles, the main thing is to consistently try to implement them in practice. That's how the quartet of international mediators worked: Russia, the United States, the European Union, organizations, experts, ministers met regularly, documents were developed that contained principles proposed with Israel and the Palestinians as a basis for starting direct negotiations.
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We actively cooperated with the Arab League through the quartet and want to do this, but suddenly, at some point, a pause occurred. All members of the quartet were ready to continue with the same intensity, consistently but without stopping, moving towards convincing the parties to accept as a basis those principles that will help them resolve this longest conflict of today. Suddenly, a pause arose.
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A pause is also bad, and haste is harmful to the efforts that were made jointly, which were undertaken jointly, this also does not help the matter. Now the new administration of Barack Obama, primarily represented by Secretary of State John Kerry, with whom we are in very close contact, is making its own efforts to promote direct negotiations. Ultimately, I am convinced that, just as in the case of Syria, Iran, and other countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq, unilateral initiatives are not enough.
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It is necessary to rely on collective efforts, on the ideas that have been developed jointly. We have good formats, including the Quartet and the Six on the Iranian nuclear program. There are formats on Afghanistan. Now they are going to convene conferences on Libya. Next year, there is a format for exchange. Not only is work underway in each of these formats. But this is a collective format, and any other, see ROSI again.
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These formats are used to form a club of like-minded people and jointly propose solutions to the conflicting parties will be universally supported. Therefore, there is no talk of any haste in our actions. I hope that our partners...
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Temptation something to settle in one sitting Well, it won't manifest itself either because it's very possible Let's talk about our neighbors because lately we've been seeing anti-Russian rhetoric in Ukraine and many other post-Soviet republics and Can we consider that these elements are becoming some kind of system? Systematicity?
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I'm generally annoyed that such manifestations have been persisting for how many years now about the POS and the main protagonists and antagonists who supported this coldness throughout the globe during the Cold War no longer exist Well, at least not the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact, there is no NATO.
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For now, it remains and to be guided by In modern times, it's unproductive and short-sighted, you know, we are interested in living in harmony with all our neighbors, after all, including with the Baltic countries, we lived in one state, created a joint industry, a wide variety of sectors help these republics develop economically, infrastructure, of course, and when they, for example, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, at the time when they joined NATO, say, our Western partners, this was back when the Soviet Union was collapsing, our Western partners said, "Don't worry, for God's sake, they're now afraid of the past.
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We'll accept them into NATO and they'll feel completely safe. Nothing like that happened. Yes, we're developing economic relations, we're developing cultural ties with all these countries, we're interested in deepening them, suddenly, as soon as they all get together within the framework of the North Atlantic Alliance, anti-Russian phobias fall apart.
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Here's one example: we have a mechanism, the Russia- NATO Council, in which we talk about many things, including, of course, missile defense, which is the main irritant now in our relations with the Americans. Well, we've talked about it a lot and in detail, but we advocate that the Russia-NATO Council contribute to strengthening trust, which is sorely lacking in our relations with Europe.
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The level, depth, volume of economic, humanitarian, educational, scientific, and a wide variety of ties is enormous and constantly growing and is strikingly different from the low level of trust in the military-political sphere. Therefore, we are promoting in every possible way various exchanges of information, mutual openness regarding military activities that are carried out near each other's borders. I was just recently in Poland.
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My colleague, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, told me that they were satisfied with the level of openness that we have. demonstrated during the recent Zapad 2013 exercises at about the same time, exercises were held on the territory of the Baltic countries and Poland. SFA Jazz NATO exercises, purely exercises, if the Zapad 2013 exercises had an anti-terrorist legend. Tof Jazz NATO exercises, and their legend was practicing actions to implement the procedures of the tre p of the Washington Treaty.
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And this is an article about collective self-defense. We asked our NATO partners at the preparation stage for these exercises what self-defense meant. From whom, if this is being carried out? Especially on our borders, the Baltics.
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Well, and Poland is nearby, and we were not given any clear answer, but when these exercises finally took place, representatives of both Poland and the Baltic countries publicly stated that they these results of these exercises confirmed the bloc's readiness to defend our countries from a threat from the east. Well, yes, such phobias are manifesting themselves. And this is sad, we spoke honestly about this at the last meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the ministerial level.
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The desire to maintain dividing lines in Europe and even move is still present among some of our partners, not without the influence of these phobias.
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These lines to the east to consider the state of affairs on our vast continent of Eurasia through the prism of friend or foe, either with us or against us, a zero-sum game of attempts to make Ukraine an object of geopolitical struggle and not a destroyer for Ukraine and for Europe because this is absolutely contrary to modern European aspirations, this is contrary to the tasks that outstanding European countries put forward in the space from the Atlantic to the Urals.
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Now we are talking about the need to build a single economic humanitarian space from Lisbon to Vladivostok and this idea that President Putin put forward. In general, no one rejects, moreover, the chairman of the European commission, VM de. Why does this idea sound good? But in practice, completely different plans are being implemented and the fact that now, after the crisis in Ukraine, responsible European politicians are starting to speak differently than they did before the crisis.
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And before the crisis, they said that Ukraine is obliged to make a free choice in favor of association with the European Union, but now they are already saying that we cannot underestimate the fact that Ukraine is located between its neighbors in the East and its neighbors in the West.
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And what and with those and with others, with Russia and the European Union, it has significant economic and other ties, and that it is necessary to seek ways to develop cooperation, which will be the complexity of these factors, this is exactly what president spoke for when the Prime Minister of Ukraine, Mykola Azarov, in the midst of the crisis, in the midst of emotions after Ukraine announced its decision to postpone the signing of at least an agreement with the European Union and to hold trilateral consultations between Ukraine, Russia and the European Union, Vladimir Putin supported this because we recognize that Ukraine has interests and the European Union has interests in what concerns relations between them, we do not want our interests in what concerns Russian-Ukrainian relations to be ignored, but then the Euronote, Ronnie, the consultations were rejected, now, in particular, the leadership of Germany is established and through the mouth of Foreign Minister Frank- Walter Steinmeier, they say that it is necessary to take into account the real situation and look for ways of cooperation that will be beneficial and acceptable for everyone.
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I can only welcome such statements. Therefore, we need to get rid of these phobias. I understand that old habits die hard and slowly, but perhaps responsible European politicians should help build such a policy.
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The European Union, which will nevertheless take into account the legitimate interests of Russia and Ukraine and all other countries in the so-called post-Soviet space, and as we politically create such an atmosphere, as part of the Eurasian integration processes, we, participants in these processes, will increase our competitiveness in industry, agriculture, and in the field of new technologies.
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We will then be more ready to discuss, on an equal footing and on more favorable terms, additional liberalization of trade and investment regimes between Russia, all of our countries, and the European Union, that is, to move in practice toward that very ideal of building an economic and humanitarian space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. Sergey Viktorovich, we have already talked about Syria and Iran.
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But in addition to these problems, this year will certainly also be remembered for the enormous scandal regarding US surveillance of both ordinary citizens and world leaders. In your opinion, did the international community sufficiently respond to the data released by Edward Snowden, and did this affect the authority of the United States at all?
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President Putin recently touched upon this issue at his major press conference, and I will highlight those words in which He expressed hope that the task facing the special services of the United States is, first and foremost, the fight against terrorism and the prevention of terrorist acts. This is our common task, and we are interested in combining the efforts of the international community as effectively as possible, both within the UN and within other structures, to suppress the terrorist threat.
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As for Edward Snowden, someone was shocked by the very fact of those revelations that followed. The shock came from the fact that all of this was made public, that is, well, it’s not customary to talk about such things out loud in polite society, but then suddenly everyone said it, everyone began to know about it. The reaction was, I would say, expected. Who will like it? Regarding what exactly the international community did.
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Well, the UN General Assembly unanimously adopted a resolution that condemns the use of such methods for invading private life. I will say more. We also. The Russian Federation, a couple of years ago, proposed within the framework of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe to adopt a resolution that would warn against the abuse of the Internet, primarily from the point of view of We were refused the inadmissibility of interference in private life.
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By the way, during the OSCE ministerial session that took place in early December, we again drew attention to this and reminded that a couple of years ago the OSCE did not want to make such a decision. And now it has been adopted by the UN General Assembly, that is, the OSCE, which, well, considers itself a legislator, but to a certain extent, found itself lagging behind. The main thing is that conclusions are drawn.
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We heard that President Obama gave a corresponding order to prepare proposals aimed at preventing abuse in intelligence activities. We are also convinced that the problem requires more attention from the point of view of a systematic approach to cooperation. I mentioned one topic that is being unacceptably discussed in general. The problem of internet governance exists worldwide. The World Telecommunication Union is such an organization.
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There are discussions there about how to prevent the internet from becoming a tool for promoting someone's unilateral interests. The conversation is not simple now. I will not go into details. You understand perfectly well that we are talking about the World Cup. But the fact that such a topic is already T on I think it is important. There is an initiative for this.
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The account that Russia is promoting together with its partners in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, we submitted to the UN a special document on norms of conduct in the field of international information security. We propose to our NATO partners to create a special mechanism or framework on the issue of cybersecurity within the framework of the Russia-NATO Council. NATO members refuse.
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I think that not to a small extent because these phobias persist in some NATO member countries, but with the United States, we created a bilateral working group within the framework of a large presidential commission that deals with issues of international information security.
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Well, or cybersecurity, and contacts within the framework of Kotovo are that there is a need to establish some basic order in this area so that the Internet does not become a tool for terrorists and other criminals to promote child pornography and much more, which should not be allowed and which is currently practically unregulated by anyone. And lastly, Mr. Minister, one of the obstacles to the Geneva 2 Bari is the participation of Iran, where Zaba still insists on the opposite.
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Can this conference take place without Iran? The issue has not been fully resolved. Indeed, in the list of countries that is being agreed upon, Iran is included in brackets. For now, We are also convinced that all those who influence the situation should be invited. If we talk about the countries of the region, then first of all, these are all of Syria's neighbors and other leading countries, of which I would highlight Iran and Saudi Arabia. These two countries are now associated with a very dangerous topic.
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They are associated with the fact that a split between Muslims within Islam is brewing, if not already brewing. I am waiting for the Sunni to come and this will not be allowed to happen. Suzma is experiencing serious friction. This is very dangerous.
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Therefore, Saudi Arabia, as a country that is the custodian of the two Muslim holy sites with a predominantly Sunni population, a country that does not hide its interest in replacing the Assad regime, on the one hand, and Iran, as a country that seeks to be the leader of the Shiite Muslim world and which also does not hide its interest in the regime remaining and a political settlement being reached.
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Of course, they should be among the participants of this conference because in any case, they will not participate in this situation in the general conversation, so that they are part of the general format and listen to the opinions of all those who will be invited to this conference, first of all. The government and the opposition, but also those who support various sides in the conflict, pretending otherwise is not pragmatic. This is precisely the ideological approach that is detrimental to the cause.
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They say that Iran is playing counterproductively among those who did not sign the provisions of the Geneva Stone from last year, on the basis of which Geneva is being convened. But among those names of states against which the West has no objections, which are simply working to disrupt the convening of Geneva, and everyone knows perfectly well. So, the need for Iran's participation is obvious to us.
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It is obvious, by and large, everyone has spoken out in favor of it, and the Europeans are ready for it, as are the Arabs. The United States, Secretary of State, still has doubts, but there is still time, we will talk to them eventually. When the United States needed to solve its problems in Iraq or Afghanistan in past years, Washington without hesitation entered into direct contacts with Iran, and no ideology stopped it there. But if this was possible for solving American interests, then why can't it be done?
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When Syria's interests are at stake, let me remind you, by the way. that when Afghanistan was under Taliban control, a group of 6 P2 neighbors of Afghanistan, Russia and the United States, operated. Iran was part of this group and also confirmed its ability to work in collective formats and be part of the solution and not part of the tests. The Security Council will answer our questions. Thank you very much.