Transcript
Sergey Lavrov Interview on Charlie Rose, New York, UN General Assembly
English includes full house translations. Review is pending; untranslated passages and selected digest glosses remain labelled.
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| 1 Charlie Rose at UNGA — Syria, Obama and the Opening Stakes | |
| Сегодня вечером специальный выпуск программы Чарли Роуза. Сергей Лавров занимает пост министра иностранных дел России с 2004 года. Он находится в Нью-Йорке на Генеральной Ассамблее ООН. Продолжающийся конфликт в Сирии является центральной темой. Президент Обама говорил об этом сегодня ранее в Сирии: «Будущее не должно принадлежать диктатору, который устраивает массовые убийства своего народа. Если сегодня в мире есть дело, требующее протеста, то это мирный протест. |
Full house translation — pending review Tonight is a special episode of The Charlie Rose Show. Sergey Lavrov has been Russia's foreign minister since 2004. He is in New York at the UN General Assembly. The ongoing conflict in Syria is the central topic. President Obama spoke about this earlier today in Syria: 'The future should not belong to a dictator who is committing mass killings of his own people. If there is a cause in the world today that demands protest, it is peaceful protest.', |
| Существует режим, который пытает детей и обстреливает ракетами многоквартирные дома, и мы должны оставаться вовлеченными, чтобы гарантировать, что то, что началось с требований граждан о своих правах, не закончится циклом межконфессионального насилия. Вместе мы должны поддержать тех сирийцев, которые верят в другое видение: единую и инклюзивную Сирию, где детям не нужно бояться собственного правительства, и все сирийцы имеют право голоса в управлении страной — сунниты и алавиты, курды и христиане. |
Full house translation — pending review There is a regime that tortures children and shells apartment buildings with rockets, and we must remain engaged to ensure that what began with citizens' demands for their rights does not end in a cycle of interfaith violence. Together we must support those Syrians who believe in a different vision: a united and inclusive Syria where children do not need to fear their own government, and all Syrians have a say in governing the country — Sunnis and Alawites, Kurds and Christians. |
| Вот за что выступает Америка. Вот к какому результату мы будем стремиться, применяя санкции и неся последствия для тех, кто преследует и Помощь и поддержка тем, кто работает на общее благо. Россия и Китай трижды накладывали вето на резолюцию Совета Безопасности об усилении давления на правительство Башара Асада. Тем временем убийства в Сирии продолжаются, по оценкам, погибло до 30 000 человек. Тупиковая ситуация в Сирии — лишь один из многих факторов, обостряющих отношения между Россией и Соединенными Штатами. |
Full house translation — pending review This is what America stands for. This is the outcome we will strive for by applying sanctions and bearing consequences for those who persecute and Assistance and support to those who work for the common good. Russia and China have vetoed UN Security Council resolutions three times on increasing pressure on the Bashar al-Assad government. Meanwhile, killings in Syria continue, with estimates of up to 30 000 deaths. The stalemate in Syria is just one of many factors exacerbating relations between Russia and the United States. |
| 2 USAID Expulsion and NGO Climate in US–Russia Relations | |
| Иран — еще один фактор, как и недоверие к системе противоракетной обороны НАТО. Ранее в этом месяце Кремль попросил нас оказать помощь Агентству США по международному развитию, чтобы оно покинуло Россию. Я рад видеть Сергея Лаврова снова за этим столом. Добро пожаловать. Большое спасибо. Приятно вернуться. Отношения США и России... Да, я считаю, что мы согласны с тем, что эти отношения следует развивать. |
Full house translation — pending review Iran is another factor, as is distrust of the NATO missile defense system. Earlier this month, the Kremlin asked us to help USAID leave Russia. I am glad to see Sergey Lavrov back at this table. Welcome. Thank you very much. Nice to be back. US-Russia relations... Yes, I believe we agree that these relations should be developed. |
| 3 The Reset — Achievements and Remaining Problems | |
| Когда президент Обама пришел в Белый дом, он и его команда пересмотрели ситуацию в отношениях между Москвой и Вашингтоном и предложили то, что они называют «перезагрузкой» этих отношений, которую мы поддержали. И я считаю, что с тех пор у нас налажено взаимопонимание. |
Full house translation — pending review When President Obama came to the White House, he and his team reviewed the situation in relations between Moscow and Washington and offered what they call a 'reset' of these relations, which we supported. And I believe that since then we have established mutual understanding. |
| Между нами, между Москвой и Вашингтоном, настоящее взаимовыгодное партнерство и интересы российского и американского народов, а также интересы международных отношений, учитывая важность двух стран, могут основываться на равноправных, взаимно уважительных и взаимовыгодных отношениях. И на этом пути мы многого добились. Было бы неполно, если бы я не упомянул, что существуют проблемы. Конечно, вы упомянули одну из них – противоракетную оборону. |
Full house translation — pending review Between us, between Moscow and Washington, there is a genuine mutually beneficial partnership and the interests of the Russian and American peoples, as well as the interests of international relations, taking into account the importance of the two countries, can be based on equal, mutually respectful and mutually beneficial relations. And on this path we have achieved much. It would be incomplete if I did not mention that there are problems. Of course, you mentioned one of them – missile defense. |
| 4 NATO Missile Defence, the ABM Treaty and Legally Binding Guarantees | |
| Мы считаем, что это очень важный вопрос в наших отношениях, имеющий последствия для глобальной стабильности и стратегического паритета. Я напомню, что именно Соединенные Штаты еще в 1972 году предложили подписать договор о ПРО, который ограничил развертывание противоракетной обороны Советским Союзом и Россией в то время. |
Full house translation — pending review We consider this to be a very important issue in our relations, having consequences for global stability and strategic parity. I recall that it was the United States as early as 1972 year that proposed signing a missile defense treaty, which limited the deployment of missile defense by the Soviet Union and Russia at that time. |
| Все эти десятилетия военные обеих стран считали это очень важным фактором стратегической стабильности, поэтому устранение этого фактора из общего баланса, безусловно, окажет дестабилизирующее воздействие. Мы были очень откровенны и открыты, излагая наши опасения. Мы считаем, что если то, что мы слышим, правда, а именно, что это не направлено против нас, Не должно быть никаких причин, по которым эта гарантия не может стать юридически обязывающим обязательством, и у нас еще есть время. |
Full house translation — pending review For all these decades, the militaries of both countries considered this a very important factor of strategic stability, therefore the removal of this factor from the general balance will undoubtedly have a destabilizing effect. We were very frank and open in expressing our concerns. We believe that if what we hear is true, namely that it is not directed against us, there should be no reasons why this guarantee cannot become a legally binding commitment, and we still have time. |
| Мы считаем, что наши эксперты, основываясь на научном анализе, полагают, что на последних этапах этого четырехэтапного подхода будут существовать риски для российских стратегических арсеналов и, следовательно, для стратегической стабильности в глобальном контексте. У нас еще есть время, оно не безгранично, но мы открыты для продолжения этих обсуждений, и, конечно же, президент Путин подтвердил это президенту Обаме. Еще одна область, вызывающая раздражение, я бы сказал, это гражданское общество в России. |
Full house translation — pending review We believe that our experts, based on scientific analysis, believe that in the final stages of this four-step approach, there will be risks to Russian strategic arsenals and, consequently, to strategic stability in the global context. We still have time, it is not unlimited, but we are open to continuing these discussions, and of course, President Putin confirmed this to President Obama. Another area causing irritation, I would say, is civil society in Russia. |
| 5 Civil Society, Magnitsky and Non-Interference in Legal Proceedings | |
| Мы все за взаимодействие гражданского общества между двумя странами, но на основе, которая не будет равносильна поучениям и указаниям на внутренние дела как на нечто, дающее Соединенным Штатам право выносить решения и принимать законы, подобные тому, который сейчас рассматривается в связи с делом Магнитского. Это, безусловно, нанесет ущерб нашим отношениям. |
Full house translation — pending review We are all for interaction of civil society between the two countries, but on a basis that will not be equivalent to lectures and instructions on internal affairs as something that gives the United States the right to make decisions and pass laws, such as the one currently being considered in connection with the Magnitsky case. This will undoubtedly harm our relations. |
| Попытки вмешательства в правовые процедуры других стран не приветствуются нормальными государствами и правительствами, и это абсолютно справедливо в отношении России. В Соединенных Штатах мы все выступаем за продолжение диалога по правам человека, особенно учитывая, что у нас есть некоторые жалобы на обращение с русскими со стороны американских властей. Я упоминал об усыновленных детях. |
Full house translation — pending review Attempts to interfere in the legal procedures of other countries are not welcomed by normal states and governments, and this is absolutely fair in relation to Russia. In the United States, we all support continuing the dialogue on human rights, especially given that we have some complaints about the treatment of Russians by American authorities. I mentioned adopted children. |
| 6 Reciprocal Human Rights Concerns — Adoption Cases, Yaroshenko and Bout | |
| Были случаи, когда русских буквально похищали по обвинению в том, чего они никогда не делали, а только из-за спровоцированных действий агентов ФБР. Например, так было в Либерии с человеком по имени Ярошанка или с мистером Бутом, которого экстрадировали из Таиланда, несмотря на то, что тайский суд вынес решение против экстрадиции. Да, и он был экстрадирован как исполнительный дилер, которого обвиняли в торговле оружием. |
Full house translation — pending review There were cases when Russians were literally kidnapped on charges of what they never did, but only because of provoked actions of FBI agents. For example, this was the case in Liberia with a man named Yaroshanka or with Mr. But, who was extradited from Thailand despite the Thai court ruling against extradition. Yes, and he was extradited as an executive dealer accused of arms trafficking. ] |
| Да, именно этот человек, к нему подошли агенты под прикрытием и спровоцировали его на подписание соглашения о предоставлении транспортных услуг. Оба получили суровые сроки заключения, в то время как люди, убившие русских детей и усыновивших их семей, в основном выходят на свободу без реального наказания. |
Full house translation — pending review Yes, it is precisely this person, to whom undercover agents approached and provoked him into signing an agreement on the provision of transport services. Both received harsh prison sentences, while people who killed Russian children and adopted their families are mainly released without real punishment. |
| 7 Gorchakov on Natural Solidarity Between Russia and America | |
| Но, несмотря на это, я считаю, что между любыми двумя странами всегда существуют проблемы, особенно Такие крупные страны, как Соединенные Штаты и Российская Федерация, и я бы закончил цитатой из заявления российского министра иностранных дел, который в то время, как их тогда называли, был канцлером, г-н Горчиков, самый долго занимавший пост министр Российской империи, однажды сказал, что Россия и Соединенные Штаты, хотя бы из-за своего географического положения, призваны проявить естественную солидарность интересов и симпатий, которым они неоднократно подтверждали свои обязательства. |
Full house translation — pending review But, despite this, I believe that between any two countries there are always problems, especially such large countries as the United States and the Russian Federation, and I would end with a quote from a statement by the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs, who at that time, as they were then called, was the Chancellor, Mr. Gorchikov, the longest-serving Minister of the Russian Empire, who once said that Russia and the United States, albeit due to their geographical location, are called to demonstrate natural solidarity of interests and sympathies, to which they have repeatedly confirmed their obligations. |
| Хорошо, здесь есть о чем поговорить, но позвольте мне… поговорить о том, где, кажется, есть разногласия. Очевидно, на этой сессии ООН много разговоров о Сирии. Расскажите мне, что именно вы думаете, чтобы мы могли понять различия между правительством США и американским правительством в отношении Сирии. Какова ситуация на местах сегодня, как вы ее понимаете? |
Full house translation — pending review Well, there is something to talk about here, but let me... talk about where, it seems, there are disagreements. Obviously, at this UN session there have been many talks about Syria. Tell me exactly what you think so that we can understand the differences between the US government and the American government regarding Syria. What is the situation on the ground today, as you understand it? |
| 8 Syria as Full-Scale Civil War with International Dimension | |
| Ну, это гражданская война, гражданская война, которая приобретает все большее международное измерение, потому что страны, которые настаивают на том, что прежде чем может начаться диалог, президент Асад должен… Они не скрывают своей поддержки повстанцев. Сирийская армия, в которой доминирует « Братья-мусульмане», — не единственная армия и не единственная группа, воюющая против правительства. Элементы, связанные с « Аль-Каидой», присутствуют, другие разрозненные террористические группы также присутствуют. |
Full house translation — pending review Well, it is a civil war, a civil war that is acquiring an increasingly international dimension, because countries that insist that before a dialogue can begin, President Assad must... They do not hide their support for the rebels. The Syrian Army, in which the 'Muslim Brothers' dominate, is not the only army and not the only group fighting against the government. Elements associated with 'Al-Qaeda' are present, other disparate terrorist groups are also present. |
| Никто в этом не сомневается. Это полномасштабная гражданская война, которая усиливается, как я уже сказал, и это ужасно. Что насчет России? Хорошо, я имею в виду, сейчас тупиковая ситуация? Думаете, повстанцы побеждают, потому что издалека кажется, что они захватывают территорию и базы? Зависит от того, кого вы слушаете, если только вы не слушаете правительство. У меня нет объективного независимого источника, который мог бы дать оценку военной ситуации. |
Full house translation — pending review No one doubts this. It is a full-scale civil war, which, as I have said, is intensifying, and it is terrible. What about Russia? Well, I mean, is it a dead-end situation? Do you think the rebels are winning because from afar it seems they are capturing territory and bases? It depends on who you listen to, unless you are listening to the government. I do not have an objective independent source that could assess the military situation. |
| 10 The Geneva Communique of 30 June — Kofi Annan and P5 Consensus | |
| Нас больше беспокоит не то, кто побеждает, а то, как это остановить. И что вы предлагаете миру сделать, чтобы это остановить? Мы предлагаем сделать то, о чем мы все договорились в Женеве 30 июня, по инициативе... |
Full house translation — pending review We are more concerned not with who wins, but with how to stop it. And what do you propose the international community should do to stop it? We propose doing what we all agreed to in Geneva on 30 June, at the initiative... |
| При нашей поддержке Кофи Аннана состоялась встреча, министерская встреча с участием всех пяти постоянных членов Совета Безопасности, Лиги арабских государств в лице ее генерального секретаря, премьер-министра Катара, министра Кувейта, а также министра иностранных дел Турции, Европейского союза в лице Кэти Эштон и генерального секретаря Организации Объединенных Наций. В ту субботу мы провели около восьми мучительных часов и подготовили документ, названный Женевским коммюнике, достигнутым консенсусом. |
Full house translation — pending review With our support, Kofi Annan held a meeting, a ministerial meeting with all five permanent members of the Security Council, the League of Arab States represented by its Secretary-General, the Prime Minister of Qatar, the Minister of Kuwait, and the Foreign Minister of Turkey, the European Union represented by Catherine Ashton, and the Secretary-General of the United Nations. On that Saturday we spent about eight agonizing hours and prepared a document called the Geneva Communiqué, reached by consensus. |
| Мы считаем, что это был очень справедливый компромисс между ключевыми внешними игроками, который следовало бы навязать и навязать сторонам. Затем мы получили положительный ответ от правительства. В этом коммюнике, помимо прочего, правительству и его представителям было предложено назначить посредников для начала диалога о составе переходного органа управления, органа, который будет уполномочен готовить выборы и новую конституцию. |
Full house translation — pending review We consider that this was a very fair compromise between key external actors that should have been imposed and imposed on the parties. Then we received a positive response from the government. In this communiqué, among other things, the government and its representatives were offered to appoint mediators to begin dialogue on the composition of the transitional authority, an organ that will be authorized to prepare elections and a new constitution. |
| 11 Transitional Body, Mediators and Opposition Rejection | |
| Правительство назначило таких посредников, но его представители не только не сделали этого, но и полностью отвергли документ. Но, как я уже сказал, это был консенсус по политической части кризиса, достигнутый всеми. Ключевые внешние игроки позже предложили одобрить этот документ в Совете Безопасности, но наши партнеры отказались. Что же произошло, господин Асад? |
Full house translation — pending review The government appointed such mediators, but its representatives not only did not do so, but fully rejected the document. But, as I have already said, this was a consensus on the political part of the crisis, achieved by everyone. Key external players later proposed to approve this document in the Security Council, but our partners refused. What happened, Mr. Assad? |
| Согласно этому документу, правительство и другие органы власти должны назначить посредников для обсуждения на основе соглашения, кто войдет в состав переходного органа управления. Этот орган будет обладать полной властью в стране и будет отвечать за подготовку нового проекта конституции для проведения референдума и подготовки к свободным и справедливым выборам. Вы считаете неразумным просить президента Асада уйти в отставку после всех убийств сирийцев правительством? |
Full house translation — pending review According to this document, the government and other state bodies must appoint mediators to discuss, on the basis of an agreement, who will enter the transitional governing body. This body will have full power in the country and will be responsible for preparing a new draft constitution for a referendum and preparing for free and fair elections. Do you consider it unreasonable to ask President Assad to resign after all the killings of Syrians by the government? |
| 12 Ceasefire First vs Demanding Assad's Departure Before Talks | |
| Это то, что говорят люди, и у нас есть выбор: либо поставить в качестве первоочередной задачи немедленное прекращение кровопролития и, таким образом, попытаться спасти как можно больше жизней, что является нашей позицией и, кстати, отражено в Женевском сообществе; либо сказать, что до тех пор, пока он не уйдет в отставку, мы будем поощрять оппозицию к продолжению боевых действий. И я считаю, что этот вариант не требует никаких объяснений. |
Full house translation — pending review This is what people say, and we have a choice: either make the immediate cessation of bloodshed the top priority and, thus, try to save as many lives as possible, which is our position and, incidentally, is reflected in the Geneva consensus; or say that as long as he does not resign, we will encourage the opposition to continue fighting. And I believe that this option requires no explanation. |
| Этот вариант означает, что для целей отстранения президента Асада те, кто выберет этот вариант, будут обязаны... готовы заплатить цену человеческими жизнями, человеческими жизнями сирийского народа, так вы хотите натравить полицию на них, а не на этот мир, на сирийский народ? Нет, Чарли, нет, я не пытаюсь никого обвинять, я представляю фактическую ситуацию. |
Full house translation — pending review This option means that for the purpose of removing President Assad, those who choose this option will be obliged... ready to pay the price in human lives, the human lives of the Syrian people, so you want to incite the police against them, not against this world, not against the Syrian people? No, Charlie, no, I am not trying to accuse anyone, I am describing the factual situation. |
| Если мы все скажем, что кровопролитие должно прекратиться, и если это наша главная цель, то все, кто имеет какое-либо влияние на сирийскую партию, должны синхронно надавить на всех них и сказать им прекратить борьбу, а затем сесть и обсудить, какое будущее ваша страна хотела бы видеть. То есть вы говорили, что будут разговоры между Асадом и его решениями, и повстанцами и их решениями, чтобы попытаться... |
Full house translation — pending review If we all say that bloodshed must stop, and if that is our main goal, then everyone who has any influence on the Syrian party must synchronously press on all of them and tell them to stop fighting, and then sit down and discuss what future your country would like to see. That is, you said there would be talks between Assad and his decisions, and the rebels and their decisions, to try to... |
| 13 Regime-Change Precedents — Milosevic, Saddam, Gaddafi and Human Lives | |
| Нет, я говорю, что если для нас приоритет номер один — спасение человеческих жизней, то это путь, это кратчайший путь. Если приоритет номер один — устранение нынешних активов, как это было для меня приоритетом номер один — устранение Милошевича в Югославии, или Саддама Хусейна в Ираке, или Каддафи... Ливия, да, конечно, люди должны понимать, что это несколько отличается от немедленного спасения жизней. Все примеры, которые вы только что привели, вы считаете плохими прецедентами? |
Full house translation — pending review No, I say that if for us priority number one is saving human lives, then that is the way, that is the shortest way. If priority number one is removing current assets, as it was for me priority number one — removing Milošević in Yugoslavia, or Saddam Hussein in Iraq, or Kadhafi... Libya, yes, of course, people must understand that this is somewhat different from immediate saving of lives. All examples that you just gave, you consider them bad precedents? |
| Будь то Милошевич, Каддафи или Саддам Хусейн, были ли это плохими прецедентами, с которыми Россия не соглашалась по каждому пункту? Я, знаете, не соглашался с любым применением силы, которое не было санкционировано Советом Безопасности. |
Full house translation — pending review Whether it was Milošević, Kadhafi, or Saddam Hussein, were these bad precedents with which Russia did not agree on every point? I, you know, did not agree with any use of force that was not sanctioned by the Security Council. |
| Говорят, что ваше правительство и вы, знаете, были очень расстроены тем, что произошло в Ливии, с точки зрения того, что Соединенное Королевство, что санкционировал Совет Безопасности, и того, что сделало французское правительство, что каким-то образом так вас оскорбило, знаете, что это влияет на ваше впечатление о том, что вы готовы сделать в Сирии? Ну, «оскорбить» — это не совсем подходящее слово, выберите правильное слово, чтобы описать это. |
Full house translation — pending review It is said that your government and you, you know, were very upset by what happened in Libya, from the point of view that the United Kingdom, that the Security Council sanctioned, and that the French government did, that somehow so offended you, you know, that this affects your impression of what you are ready to do in Syria? Well, 'offend' is not quite the right word, choose the right word to describe this. |
| 14 Libya No-Fly Zone Deception and Arms Embargo Violations | |
| Никому не нравится, знаете, когда люди обманывают, и когда это касается международных вопросов огромной важности, затрагивающих сотни и тысячи человеческих жизней, обман имеет еще более высокую цену. Что такое обман? Мы не были... Обманом считалась бесполетная зона. |
Full house translation — pending review No one likes it, you know, when people lie, and when it concerns international issues of great importance affecting hundreds and thousands of human lives, lying has an even higher price. What is lying? We were not... A no-fly zone was considered lying. |
| Когда эта концепция впервые была введена во время иракского кризиса, объяснение, данное тогда, заключалось в том, что бесполетная зона означает, что Саддам Хусейн не имеет права перемещать свои ВВС и любые другие самолеты, и что воздушное пространство Ирака будет патрулироваться коалицией, уполномоченной Советом Безопасности, и что огонь может быть открыт только тогда, когда Саддам Хусейн действительно взлетает на своих самолетах или когда коалиция, патрулирующая воздушное пространство Ирака, попадает в поле зрения его радара. |
Full house translation — pending review When this concept was first introduced during the Iraqi crisis, the explanation given at the time was that a no-fly zone means that Saddam Hussein has no right to move his air force and any other aircraft, and that Iraqi airspace will be patrolled by a coalition authorized by the Security Council, and that fire may be opened only when Saddam Hussein actually takes off in his aircraft or when the coalition patrolling Iraqi airspace comes into the radar of his radar. |
| Что было в Ливии? Думаю, мне не нужно вспоминать, мы там не были. И, конечно, еще одним обманом была резолюция об эмбарго на поставки оружия, которая была принята консенсусом. Мы даже не воздержались, мы проголосовали за нее. Только чтобы увидеть, что позже такие страны, как Франция и Катар, к слову, открыто хвастались тем, что поставляли оружие повстанцам в нарушение... Резолюции Совета Безопасности. |
Full house translation — pending review What was in Libya? I think I don't need to remember, we were not there. And, of course, another lie was the arms embargo resolution, which was adopted by consensus. We did not even abstain, we voted for it. Only to see that later countries such as France and Qatar, by the way, openly boasted of supplying weapons to rebels in violation of... Security Council Resolution. |
| 15 Russia Does Not Protect Assad — Media Caricature vs Real Ties | |
| Я хочу внести ясность в один момент: мы не были связаны обязательствами с господином Каддафи, мы не связаны обязательствами с господином Асадом. Он получил образование не в Российской Федерации, а в Европе. Его друзья были в Западной Европе, а не в России. И когда люди говорят, что вы защищаете президента Асада, это абсолютное невежество относительно реальной ситуации. Я считаю, что вы его защищаете. И почему я невежественен? Каким образом, Чарли, можете ли вы сказать мне, каким образом мы его защищаем? |
Full house translation — pending review I want to clarify one point: we were not bound by obligations with Mr. Gaddafi, we are not bound by obligations with Mr. Assad. He received his education not in the Russian Federation, but in Europe. His friends were in Western Europe, not in Russia. And when people say that you are protecting President Assad, it is absolute ignorance of the real situation. I believe that you are protecting him. And why am I ignorant? How, Charlie, can you tell me how we are protecting him? |
| Несколько способов. Большинство людей считают, что если бы у них не было поддержки России и Ирана, он бы не продержался долго, как в плане вооружений, так и в иранском случае. Некоторые предполагают, что даже больше. Без поддержки Ирана и России большинство людей считают, что президент Асад покинул бы Сирию в более короткие сроки, чем мог бы. В этом сила СМИ. |
Full house translation — pending review Several ways. Most people believe that if they did not have the support of Russia and Iran, he would not have lasted long, both in terms of arms and in the Iranian case. Some suggest even more. Without the support of Iran and Russia, most people believe that President Assad would have left Syria in a shorter time than he could. This is the power of the media. |
| СМИ освещают сирийский кризис в большинстве случаев, и политики, кстати, когда они обращаются к общественности через СМИ, я считаю, что речь идет не только о... Будущее Сирии, а также их внутриполитическая позиция – они говорят очень прямолинейно и просто, если не сказать примитивно: Асад – мясник, Асад принадлежит к фальшивому трибуналу, Асад – преступник, он не имеет места ни в Сирии, ни где-либо еще на земле. И это, конечно, проникает в умы аудитории. Вы не верите, что это правда? |
Full house translation — pending review The media covers the Syrian crisis in most cases, and politicians, by the way, when they address the public through the media, I believe that it is not only about... The future of Syria, but also their domestic political position – they speak very directly and simply, if not primitively: Assad is a butcher, Assad belongs to a fake tribunal, Assad is a criminal, he has no place in Syria or anywhere else on earth. And this, of course, penetrates the minds of the audience. Do you not believe that this is true? |
| Ну, я считаю, что мы должны видеть картину целиком. Асад несет ответственность за многое, он – главный виновник кризиса в Сирии. Он совершил много ошибок, игнорируя мудрые советы, данные ему странами региона: Россией, Китаем и многими другими. Он делал слишком мало и слишком поздно. Мы не списываем это со счетов, но мы не можем создавать впечатление, мы не можем притворяться, что он каждый день борется с безоружными людьми. |
Full house translation — pending review Well, I believe that we must see the whole picture. Assad is responsible for much, he is the main culprit of the crisis in Syria. He made many mistakes, ignoring wise advice given to him by regional countries: Russia, China, and many others. He did too little and too late. We do not write this off, but we cannot create an impression, we cannot pretend that he fights unarmed people every day. |
| Вооруженная оппозиция появилась, кажется, в мае 2011 года, и еще было время, чтобы разобраться с этим. Мы призывали его и его позицию... Мы встречаемся со всеми оппозиционными группами не только за пределами Сирии, но и с теми, кто находится внутри Сирии, и мы направляем их в том же направлении. |
Full house translation — pending review The armed opposition appeared, it seems, in May 2011 year, and there was still time to sort this out. We called for him and his position... We meet with all opposition groups not only outside Syria, but also with those inside Syria, and we direct them in the same direction. |
| 16 Foreign Partners Urge Opposition to Fight; Russia Urges Them to Stop | |
| Но когда мы говорим нашим партнерам по оппозиции или представителям сирийской оппозиции, что, по нашему мнению, им следует забыть о том, кто, по их мнению, важнее в этом движении, забыть о своей личной ненависти, почему бы им не подумать о людях, почему бы им не прекратить борьбу, они отвечают нам тем же. Но другие наши зарубежные партнеры дают нам другой совет: продолжайте бороться до конца, поднимайте свой голос, утверждая, что Россия должна свергнуть Асада, и вы это сделаете, и вы победите. |
Full house translation — pending review But when we tell our opposition partners or representatives of the Syrian opposition that, in our opinion, they should forget about who, in their opinion, is more important in this movement, forget about their personal hatred, why don't they think about the people, why don't they stop fighting, they answer us with the same. But other of our foreign partners give us different advice: continue fighting to the end, raise your voice, asserting that Russia must overthrow Assad, and you will do it, and you will win. |
| 17 Arms to Syria — Old Contracts Honoured, No New Deals Since the Crisis | |
| Скажите мне, когда люди говорят, что, кстати, по вопросу о вооружениях мы выполнили контракты, подписанные давно, некоторые из них касались ремонта и обслуживания оборудования, проданного Сирии Советским Союзом, и при этом утверждается, что не было никакого оружия, не являвшегося частью старого контракта, — это то, что вы говорите? Нет, мы этого не делали и не подписывали никаких новых контрактов с начала этого кризиса. |
Full house translation — pending review Tell me, when people say, by the way, that regarding the issue of armaments we have fulfilled contracts signed long ago, some of which concerned the repair and maintenance of equipment sold to Syria by the Soviet Union, and at the same time it is asserted that there was no weapon that was not part of the old contract, — is that what you are saying? No, we did not do that and did not sign any new contracts since the beginning of this crisis. |
| Конечно, я не могу говорить за Иран, есть некоторые отчеты, которые нужно изучить, но они могут говорить только за Россию. И когда люди говорят, что если бы только Россия и Китай поддержали резолюцию по главе 7, я спросил своих коллег, как они видят реализацию этой резолюции, и знаете, что некоторые из них мне сказали? Ну, почему бы нам не ввести эмбарго и санкции? |
Full house translation — pending review Of course, I cannot speak for Iran, there are some reports that need to be studied, but they can only speak for Russia. And when people say that if only Russia and China had supported the resolution on chapter 7, I asked my colleagues how they see the implementation of this resolution, and you know what some of them told me? Well, why don't we impose an embargo and sanctions? |
| 18 Chapter VII Resolutions and How Mention Alone Invites Intervention | |
| Санкции и эмбарго на поставки оружия уже были введены Соединенными Штатами, Европейским союзом, довольно большим количеством других стран, включая страны Персидского залива, Лигу арабских государств и персонал. Эти санкции были введены даже без нашего уведомления, не говоря уже о консультациях с нами. Они были введены путем принятия Совета Безопасности задолго до того, как эти резолюции были предложены для голосования. Но представьте, что принята резолюция по главе 7. |
Full house translation — pending review Sanctions and arms embargoes had already been imposed by the United States, the European Union, a considerable number of other countries, including Gulf states, the Arab League, and personnel. These sanctions were imposed even without our notification, let alone consultations with us. They were imposed through the adoption of the Security Council long before these resolutions were put to a vote. But imagine that a resolution under chapter 7 is adopted. |
| Давайте гипотетически представим эту ситуацию, и нет ответа. В чем будет разница? Некоторые из них разговаривают друг с другом, и мы случайно узнаем, что они говорят. И одна из их идей заключается в том, что любого упоминания главы 7 было бы достаточно, чтобы... Начнём с внешнего вмешательства. Хорошо, мне нужно перейти к этому моменту, потому что, знаете, большинство стран мира, как мне кажется (и вы можете сказать, что я просто ошибаюсь), считают, что Асад должен уйти. |
Full house translation — pending review Let us hypothetically imagine this situation, and there is no answer. What will be the difference? Some of them talk to each other, and we accidentally find out what they are saying. And one of their ideas is that any mention of chapter 7 would be enough to... Let's start with external intervention. Well, I need to get to this point because, you know, most countries in the world, as I think (and you can say that I am just wrong), believe that Assad must go. |
| Они считают, что зверства, совершаемые его правительством, вышли за рамки дозволенного, что они были настолько вопиющими, что он и люди, боровшиеся за него, должны уйти в отставку, прежде чем вы сможете что-либо предпринять в отношении будущего Сирии. И Россия, и другие страны региона, будь то Турция, Иран, — их различные предложения должны быть учтены при рассмотрении будущего Сирии. |
Full house translation — pending review They believe that the atrocities committed by his government have gone beyond the permissible, that they were so egregious that he and the people fighting for him must resign before you can do anything about the future of Syria. And Russia, and other countries in the region, whether it be Turkey, Iran, — their various proposals must be taken into account when considering the future of Syria. |
| Вы, очевидно, обеспокоены будущим Сирии, она была другом России, и вас беспокоит, кто может войти в состав нового правительства и кто будет его формировать. Это один вопрос, но другой вопрос заключается в том, может ли человек, совершивший такие действия, как Асад, сказать, что он может оставаться у власти, пока мы не найдём какое-либо соглашение, чтобы остановить насилие. |
Full house translation — pending review You are obviously concerned about the future of Syria, it was a friend of Russia, and you are worried about who can enter the new government and who will form it. This is one question, but another question is whether a person who has committed such actions as Assad can say that he can remain in power until we find some agreement to stop the violence. |
| 19 Not Following the Crowd — Justice, Beliefs and Both Sides' Atrocities | |
| Это кажется неприемлемым для большинства других стран, и каждый лидер, с которым я разговариваю, хочет... видеть, как он уходит, кроме президента Ахмадинежада, которого я выдумал и с которым вчера брал интервью, и российского правительства. Сколько людей поддерживают вашу позицию по Асаду? Знаете, дело не в том, чтобы быть частью толпы, дело в справедливости, дело в наших убеждениях. |
Full house translation — pending review This seems unacceptable to most other countries, and every leader I talk to wants... to see him go, except President Ahmadinejad, whom I made up and interviewed yesterday, and the Russian government. How many people support your position on Assad? You know, it's not about being part of the crowd, it's about justice, it's about our beliefs. |
| В Сирии совершаются зверства, есть военные преступления, военные преступления и зверства, и это было задокументировано и освещено Независимой комиссией ООН по правам человека и Советом ООН по правам человека, которая недавно представила свой доклад Совету Безопасности и в котором говорится, что и правительство, и его сторонники виновны. Да, но я не думаю, что они не несут равную ответственность в этом деле. Я имею в виду, что больше нет изоляции, я не говорил, что они это. Они упомянули равную вину, верно? |
Full house translation — pending review Atrocities are being committed in Syria, there are war crimes, war crimes and atrocities, and this has been documented and highlighted by the UN Independent Commission on Human Rights and the UN Human Rights Council, which recently submitted its report to the Security Council and in which it states that both the government and its supporters are guilty. Yes, but I do not think that they do not bear equal responsibility in this matter. I mean that there is no more isolation, I did not say that they do. They mentioned equal guilt, right? |
| Я лишь сказал то, что сказал. Чарли, верно, что они оба, и правительство, и их должности, были вовлечены в совершение зверств и того, что можно описать как военные преступления. Мы не привязаны к президенту, мы не хотим, чтобы вы знали, что это человек, который может возглавить новую Сирию. Некоторые люди спрашивают: «Вы верите, что он может покинуть Южную Сирию?» Вы действительно в это верите? Я сказал, что мы не ищем того, кто сможет его заменить. Мы не ищем. |
Full house translation — pending review I only said what I said. Charlie, is it true that both, the government and their positions, were involved in committing atrocities and what can be described as war crimes. We are not tied to the president, we do not want you to know that this is a person who can lead a new Syria. Some people ask: 'Do you believe that he can leave Southern Syria?' Do you really believe that? I said that we are not looking for someone who can replace him. We are not looking. |
| 20 Preventing Sectarian War and Securing All Syrian Communities' Rights | |
| Вы сказали, что для нас важно, кто будет руководить Сирией. Личности не важны. Для нас важно не допустить, чтобы этот кризис перерос в межконфессиональную войну, потому что все указывает на то, что это очень вероятный сценарий. Для нас важно, чтобы все, кто живет в Сирии и на кого президент Обама ссылался в своей речи перед Генеральной Ассамблеей — сунниты, шииты, алавиты, друзы, христиане, курды — знали, что их права, их безопасность, их экономические, политические и социальные права будут обеспечены. |
Full house translation — pending review You said that for us it is important who will lead Syria. Personalities are not important. For us it is important not to let this crisis turn into an interconfessional war, because all signs point to the fact that this is a very likely scenario. For us it is important that everyone living in Syria and whom President Obama referred to in his speech before the General Assembly — Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites, Druze, Christians, Kurds — know that their rights, their safety, their economic, political and social rights will be ensured. |
| В стране уважают ли их права? Разве большинство людей в это не верит? Разве кто-то не верит, что эти политические права должны уважаться и что они уважаются? Это важно для нас, и это гораздо важнее, чем охота за головой отдельного человека. Диалог между оппозицией и правительством, который был одобрен Женевским коммюнике, предусматривал назначение посредников, и их полномочия по вето на состав переходного органа власти были бы очень важны. И это так просто. |
Full house translation — pending review Are their rights respected in the country? Do not most people believe that? Does not anyone believe that these political rights must be respected and that they are respected? This is important for us, and it is much more important than hunting for the head of a single individual. The dialogue between the opposition and the government, which was approved by the Geneva communique, provided for the appointment of mediators, and their veto powers over the composition of the transitional authority would be very important. And it is so simple. |
| 9 Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, Mercenaries and Armed Factions | |
| Как вы думаете, как вы относитесь к этой ситуации, к этим ужасным убийствам, происходящим в стране? Сирийцы против сирийцев, другие группы тоже вторглись, все это признают, не считая наемников, никто не сомневается, что это Аль-Каида. Надеюсь, они не будут участвовать в диалоге. Это справедливо. И я думаю, большинство людей в это верят. |
Full house translation — pending review How do you think, how do you feel about this situation, about these terrible murders taking place in the country? Syrians against Syrians, other groups have also invaded, all of this is acknowledged, not counting mercenaries, no one doubts that this is Al-Qaeda. I hope they will not participate in the dialogue. This is fair. And I think most people believe this. |
| Конечно, есть некоторая обеспокоенность в других арабских странах, в других частях мира, включая Запад, по поводу того, кто воспользовался этой ситуацией и какую роль они могут сыграть в будущем. Это не наша обеспокоенность, но ее разделяют многие люди. Да, не мы, не мы, что это значит? Что значит не мы? Кто извлекает выгоду из этой ситуации? Вы спросили, кто извлекает выгоду из этого? |
Full house translation — pending review Of course, there is some concern in other Arab countries, in other parts of the world, including the West, about who has taken advantage of this situation and what role they may play in the future. This is not our concern, but many people share it. Yes, not us, not us, what does that mean? What does not us mean? Who is benefiting from this situation? You asked who is benefiting from this? |
| Я просто пытался донести мысль, что существует множество групп, которые приходят, и все это понимают, и это вызывает беспокойство у многих людей. Вы только что выразили такое же беспокойство, не так ли? Да, выразил. Хорошо. То есть, вы считаете, что Асад останется у власти и будет вести затяжную гражданскую войну, если у него не будет поддержки России? Прежде чем ответить на этот вопрос, я действительно хочу понять, что вы подразумеваете под поддержкой России? |
Full house translation — pending review I was just trying to convey the idea that there are many groups that come, and all of this is understood, and this causes concern to many people. You just expressed the same concern, did you not? Yes, I did. Well. So, you believe that Assad will remain in power and will lead a protracted civil war if he does not have Russian support? Before answering this question, I really want to understand what you mean by Russian support? |
| 21 One-Sided Capitulation Resolution — Unrealistic and Invites Intervention | |
| Вы говорите мне, что мы не собираемся поддерживать резолюцию Совета Безопасности, которая требует односторонней капитуляции режима? Да, мы не можем допустить принятия этой резолюции, потому что это абсолютно нереалистично и это только привлечет внешнее вмешательство. Во-первых, так ли это? Когда режим совершает военные преступления и настолько морально оскорбителен для любого гражданского общества, что необходимо сделать все возможное, чтобы поддержать тех, кто... |
Full house translation — pending review You are telling me that we are not going to support the Security Council resolution that requires the unilateral capitulation of the regime? Yes, we cannot allow this resolution to be adopted because it is absolutely unrealistic and it will only attract external intervention. First, is that so? When the regime commits war crimes and is so morally offensive to any civil society, it is necessary to do everything possible to support those who... |
| Оппозиция и смена правительства — вот когда, по-вашему, это будет уместным действием, чтобы сменить правительство? Я не думаю, что мы можем представить себе такую ситуацию. Нет такой ситуации, есть один очень простой пример: было несколько террористических атак против сирийского правительства, не только против штаб-квартиры безопасности, но и против гражданских объектов, социальной инфраструктуры, инфраструктуры здравоохранения. |
Full house translation — pending review Opposition and changing the government — is that, in your opinion, when it would be an appropriate action to change the government? I do not think we can imagine such a situation. There is no such situation; there is one very simple example: there were several terrorist attacks against the Syrian government, not only against the security headquarters but also against civilian objects, social infrastructure, and healthcare infrastructure. |
| 22 Security Council Stopped Condemning Terror Attacks on Government | |
| И несколько раз Совет Безопасности, как он всегда делает после крупных террористических атак, осуждал эти атаки. Несколько месяцев назад наши коллеги, включая делегацию США, Совет Безопасности перестал осуждать террористические атаки против сирийского правительства и административных объектов. Причина, которую нам назвали, заключалась в том, что, как вы сказали, режим абсолютно бесчеловечен, и, по сути, здесь допустимо все. Это очень пугающая позиция — оправдывать террористические атаки чем угодно. |
Full house translation — pending review And several times the Security Council, as it always does after major terrorist attacks, condemned these attacks. A few months ago, our colleagues, including the US delegation, the Security Council stopped condemning terrorist attacks against the Syrian government and administrative objects. The reason they gave us was that, as you said, the regime is absolutely inhumane, and essentially, anything is permissible here. This is a very frightening position — justifying terrorist attacks with anything. |
| Это никогда не было приемлемо для Соединенных Штатов, для Запада в целом, для России и для всех других цивилизованных стран. И я считаю, что это очень скользкая дорожка. Я вас понимаю, и вы очень ясно это дали понять. С вашей точки зрения, когда вы встретились со мной (а мы знакомы давно), вы сказали, что это стало чем-то гораздо большим, чем Сирия. Что вы имели в виду? Ну, это значит, что почти... |
Full house translation — pending review This was never acceptable for the United States, for the West in general, for Russia, and for all other civilized countries. And I consider this a very slippery slope. I understand you, and you made this very clear. From your point of view, when you met with me (and we have known each other for a long time), you said that this became something much greater than Syria. What did you mean? Well, that means that almost... |
| 23 Syria Beyond Syria — Clash of Civilizations and World Order | |
| Вы сказали: «Я слышал что-то вроде... не уверен, столкновение цивилизаций, в какой-то степени да, и также в какой-то степени... каким будет мировой порядок? Будем ли мы уважать переговоры Организации Объединенных Наций или наступит полный беспредел?» Когда люди говорят, что неприемлемо, чтобы Россия и Китай использовали свое право вето, и что давайте обойдем Организацию Объединенных Наций, Совет Безопасности находится в тупике, это... невыносимо... |
Full house translation — pending review You said: 'I heard something like... not sure, clash of civilizations, to some extent yes, and also to some extent... what will the world order be? Will we respect United Nations negotiations or will there be total lawlessness?' When people say that it is unacceptable for Russia and China to use their veto right, and that let us bypass the United Nations, the Security Council is at a dead end, this... is unbearable... |
| 24 The Veto as UN Charter Law — San Francisco and Workable Decisions | |
| Позвольте мне напомнить вам, что право вето является частью Устава Организации Объединенных Наций, частью международного права, воплощенного в его важнейшем документе. Право вето для постоянных членов Совета Безопасности было предложено Соединенными Штатами Америки на конференции в Сан-Франциско, и американцы отказались создавать Организацию Объединенных Наций без этого положения. Таким образом, право вето является частью международного права. Закон. |
Full house translation — pending review Let me remind you that the veto right is part of the Charter of the United Nations, part of international law embodied in its most important document. The veto right for permanent members of the Security Council was proposed by the United States of America at the conference in San Francisco, and Americans refused to create the United Nations without this provision. Thus, the veto right is part of international law. Law. |
| Отцы-основатели Организации Объединенных Наций в своей мудрости согласились, что если пять постоянных членов не придут к согласию, решения не будут работоспособными. Я согласен с этим, но я также спрашиваю, задумывались ли вы когда-нибудь о том, что в данном случае вы находитесь на неправильной стороне истории? Ну, судить можно только тогда, когда история развивается, и сейчас мы наблюдаем, как творится история. |
Full house translation — pending review The Founding Fathers of the United Nations, in their wisdom, agreed that if the five permanent members do not reach agreement, decisions will not be workable. I agree with this, but I also ask, have you ever thought about the fact that in this case you are on the wrong side of history? Well, one can judge only when history develops, and now we are witnessing history being made. |
| 25 Wrong Side of History — Powell's Iraq Presentation Revisited | |
| Когда мой хороший друг Колин Пауэлл ( да, Колин Пауэлл) тряс флакон с белым порошком в Совете Безопасности, американцы говорили нам, что если мы не санкционируем применение силы против Ирака, мы окажемся на неправильной стороне истории. И оказалось, что в этом насилии не было сибирской язвы. |
Full house translation — pending review When my good friend Colin Powell (yes, Colin Powell) shook the bottle of white powder in the Security Council, Americans told us that if we do not sanction the use of force against Iraq, we will be on the wrong side of history. And it turned out that there was no anthrax in this violence. |
| Хорошо, это очень хороший момент, я рад, что вы это отметили, потому что одна из главных проблем, волнующих людей из-за характера этого конфликта, заключается в наличии химического оружия, которое вызывает большую озабоченность у соседних стран и Соединенных Штатов, и что с ним может произойти. Вас это беспокоит? Да, нас это беспокоит. Передайте эту информацию, мы передаем эту обеспокоенность сирийскому правительству. Мы помогли, надеюсь, я не раскрываю никаких больших секретов. |
Full house translation — pending review Well, that is a very good point, I am glad you noted it, because one of the main issues troubling people due to the nature of this conflict is the presence of chemical weapons, which causes great concern for neighboring countries and the United States, and what can happen with them. Are you concerned? Yes, we are concerned. Convey this information, we convey this concern to the Syrian government. We helped, hopefully, I am not revealing any big secrets. ] |
| 26 Chemical Weapons — Russia Helped US Experts Contact Damascus | |
| Мы помогли американским экспертам связаться с сирийцами по этому конкретному вопросу, и мы получили объяснения и заверения, что сирийское правительство защищает эти объекты, и ваша уверенность в лучшем случае зависит от сирийского правительства. Я думаю, мы проверили все доступные нам средства и можем сказать, что на данный момент это безопасно. |
Full house translation — pending review We helped American experts contact Syrians on this specific issue, and we received explanations and assurances that the Syrian government protects these facilities, and your confidence depends at best on the Syrian government. I think we have checked all means available to us and can say that at the moment this is safe. |
| 27 Al-Qaeda and Free Syrian Army Coordination — Risk to Chemical Sites | |
| Самый большой риск того, что это химическое оружие попадет в чужие руки, заключается в том, что эти объекты будут захвачены « Аль-Каидой» и подобными группировками, а может быть, даже частью Свободной сирийской армии, потому что они открыто призывали «Аль -Каиду» координировать свои действия с ними. Это беспокоит многих людей. Что готова сделать Россия, если будет казаться, что это оружие может попасть в их руки? |
Full house translation — pending review The greatest risk that this chemical weapon falls into foreign hands is that these facilities will be seized by Al-Qaeda and similar groups, and perhaps even part of the Free Syrian Army, because they openly called on Al-Qaeda to coordinate their actions with them. This concerns many people. What is Russia ready to do if it seems that this weapon may fall into their hands? |
| Пока у нас нет этой информации, я предпочитаю не гадать, это слишком серьезный вопрос. и продолжать очень внимательно следить за этим, и это то, по чему мы регулярно обмениваемся оценками с нашими партнерами в других странах. Если президент Асад передумает насчет возможности своего выживания и посмотрит на то, что произошло на Ближнем Востоке, и скажет: « Мне пора уходить», — это будет его решение. Если он примет такое решение, поможет ли ему Россия уехать? Вы имеете в виду, примем ли мы его? |
Full house translation — pending review Until we have this information, I prefer not to guess, this is too serious a question, and continue to monitor this very carefully, and this is what we regularly exchange assessments with our partners in other countries. If President Assad changes his mind about the possibility of his survival and looks at what has happened in the Middle East, and says: 'I must leave', this will be his decision. If he makes such a decision, will Russia help him leave? Do you mean, will we accept him? |
| 28 Assad's Departure Only by His Choice — No Russian Asylum Offered | |
| Да, я имею в виду, поможем ли мы ему уехать, обеспечим ли ему безопасность и даже предложим ли убежище? Нет, нет, мы не будем предлагать ему убежище. Как я уже сказал, он дружил с некоторыми другими странами, да, к северу и северо-западу от Сирии. И это зависит от тех, кто угрожал ему всеми возможными наказаниями. |
Full house translation — pending review Yes, I mean, will we help him leave, will we ensure his safety, and even offer him asylum? No, no, we will not offer him asylum. As I have said, he was friends with some other countries, yes, to the north and northwest of Syria. And this depends on those who threatened him with all possible punishments. |
| Но мы не будем говорить ему уезжать, не потому что считаем его незаменимым, и вообще, для нас не имеет значения, кто может править Сирией, пока Сирия демократична, свободна и комфортна для всех меньшинств. Но он не уедет, пока сам не решит, и это так просто. Он не уедет. Помогите ему, и вы не предоставите ему место. Если люди считают, что, загнав его в угол, они достигнут этой цели, то это их суждение. Пока что похоже, что, загнав его в угол, они делают его все более и более настойчивым в борьбе до конца. |
Full house translation — pending review But we will not tell him to leave, not because we consider him indispensable, and in general, for us it does not matter who can rule Syria, as long as Syria is democratic, free, and comfortable for all minorities. But he will not leave until he decides himself, and it is so simple. He will not leave. Help him, and you will not provide him with a place. If people believe that by cornering him they will achieve this goal, then that is their judgment. For now, it seems that by cornering him, they are making him more and more determined to fight to the end. |
| 29 Iran's Legal Fuel Cycle; No Political Decision to Build Weapons | |
| И мы возвращаемся к вопросу о том, сколько жизней можно спасти одним вариантом или купить другой. Позвольте мне перейти к Ирану, пока вы здесь. Верите ли вы, что иранцы хотят иметь ядерный потенциал? Считаете ли вы, что они должны его иметь? И если да, то что должно произойти? Я точно знаю одно: иранцы хотят иметь полный ядерный топливный цикл, что абсолютно соответствует Договору о нераспространении, который не запрещает полный ядерный топливный цикл. До обогащения урана до оружейного качества не так уж далеко. |
Full house translation — pending review And we return to the question of how many lives can be saved by one option or by buying another. Let me move on to Iran, while you are here. Do you believe that Iranians want to have a nuclear capability? Do you think they should have it? And if yes, then what should happen? I know one thing for sure: Iranians want to have a full nuclear fuel cycle, which is absolutely consistent with the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which does not prohibit a full nuclear fuel cycle. It is not that far from uranium enrichment to weapons-grade. |
| У нас нет никаких признаков того, что Иран принял политическое решение перейти к военной ядерной программе, но политическое решение о наличии потенциала — это другое дело, не так ли? Нет, нет, нет, нет, вы не можете. Как я уже сказал, они не скрывают этого, они делают это публично, и МАГАТЭ знает, что они хотят иметь полный ядерный топливный цикл, что разрешено и что Абсолютно законно в рамках нераспространения. |
Full house translation — pending review We have no indication that Iran has made a political decision to move to a military nuclear program, but a political decision to have the potential is a different matter, isn't it? No, no, no, no, you can't. As I said, they do not hide this, they do it publicly, and the IAEA knows that they want to have a full nuclear fuel cycle, which is permitted and which is absolutely legal within the framework of non-proliferation. |
| Вы считаете, что им нужно достаточно обогащенного урана, чтобы создать ядерное оружие, если, конечно, у них действительно есть достаточно обогащенного топлива, и они могут это сделать, и у них есть технологии и средства для этого, но они этого не сделали. Как я уже сказал, позвольте мне закончить. Продолжим. От стадии наличия полного ядерного топливного цикла до стадии производства оружейного урана — это не очень долгий путь. Я не эксперт, я не знаю, сколько он займет, но, вероятно, около года, может быть, больше. |
Full house translation — pending review Do you believe they need enough enriched uranium to create nuclear weapons, if, of course, they indeed have enough enriched fuel and can do so, and they have the technology and means to do so, but they have not done so. As I have said, let me finish. We will continue. From the stage of having a full nuclear fuel cycle to the stage of producing weapons-grade uranium — this is not a very long path. I am not an expert, I do not know how long it will take, but probably about a year, maybe more. ] |
| Но нет никаких признаков того, что Иран принял политическое решение сделать это, и нет никаких признаков того, что они начали это делать. Американская информация, которую время от времени публикует г-н Панетта, одна и та же: оценка такова, что в Иране нет политического решения. Поэтому, если люди считают, что чем больше вы провоцируете Иран, тем быстрее он примет это решение, то я думаю, что это очень опасный путь. Мы категорически против нарушения режима нераспространения. |
Full house translation — pending review But there are no signs that Iran has made a political decision to do so, and there are no signs that they have started doing so. The American information that Mr. Panetta publishes from time to time is the same: the assessment is that there is no political decision in Iran. Therefore, if people believe that the more you provoke Iran, the sooner it will make this decision, then I think this is a very dangerous path. We are firmly opposed to violating the non-proliferation regime. |
| Мы против того, чтобы Иран или любая другая страна получили ядерное оружие, но чтобы этого достичь... Для достижения цели нераспространения ядерного оружия нам всем необходимо полагаться на разумные подходы, потому что если изоляция станет лозунгом дня, то всё больше санкций и угроз обернутся против нас. |
Full house translation — pending review We are against Iran or any other country obtaining nuclear weapons, but to achieve this... To achieve the goal of nuclear non-proliferation, we all need to rely on reasonable approaches, because if isolation becomes the slogan of the day, then more sanctions and threats will turn against us. |
| 30 IAEA Oversight, P5+1 Questions and Why Sanctions Fail | |
| И не дай бог, если это произойдёт, немедленно пострадает сотрудничество между Ираном и Международным агентством по атомной энергии (МАГАТЭ), которое в настоящее время контролирует все заявленные ядерные объекты в Иране. Агентство сообщает, что на данный момент не обнаружило никаких признаков того, что Иран имеет какое-либо военное измерение в ядерной программе. Конечно, оно также заявляет, что не может дать стопроцентную гарантию того, что у Ирана нет чего-то, чего оно не знает. |
Full house translation — pending review And heaven forbid if this happens, cooperation between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which currently controls all declared nuclear facilities in Iran, will immediately suffer. The Agency reports that at present it has found no signs that Iran has any military dimension in its nuclear program. Of course, it also states that it cannot give a hundred percent guarantee that Iran does not have something that it does not know. |
| И именно на этом, как мы считаем, должны быть сосредоточены международные усилия: убедиться, что Иран удовлетворит запросы агентства по вопросам, которые у агентства всё ещё остаются в отношении иранской ядерной программы. Мы считаем, что до сих пор иранское правительство в рамках МАГАТЭ было прозрачным, открытым и делало всё возможное, чтобы доказать им, что у него нет намерений в отношении ядерных объектов. Речь идёт о правовых обязательствах Ирана и Договоре о нераспространении ядерного оружия. |
Full house translation — pending review And it is on this, as we believe, that international efforts should be focused: to ensure that Iran meets the Agency's requests on matters that the Agency still has regarding the Iranian nuclear program. We believe that so far the Iranian government within the IAEA has been transparent, open, and has done everything possible to prove to them that it has no intentions regarding nuclear facilities. This is about Iran's legal obligations and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. |
| Иран сотрудничает с Агентством, и Агентство подтверждает это в своих отчётах. Иран не является полноправным членом Договора о нераспространении ядерного оружия, потому что некоторое время назад была обнаружена скрытая программа, которая является предметом работы Агентства в Иране. |
Full house translation — pending review Iran cooperates with the Agency, and the Agency confirms this in its reports. Iran is not a full member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty because a covert program was discovered some time ago, which is the subject of the Agency's work in Iran. |
| Чтобы точно уточнить ваш вопрос, Чарли, есть ли что-то, чего Агентство не знает, что может быть связано с планами Ирана включить военное измерение в свою ядерную программу, существует список вопросов, сформулированных Агентством, и это позиция «пяти плюс один» ( P5+ Германия), согласно которой Иран должен удовлетворить Агентство по этим вопросам. Но я хочу сказать, что, постоянно угрожая и вводя санкции, мы не делаем Иран более сговорчивым. Иранцы, как вы можете измениться, если вы не меняетесь? |
Full house translation — pending review To clarify your question precisely, Charlie, is there anything the Agency does not know that could be related to Iran's plans to include a military dimension in its nuclear program? There is a list of questions formulated by the Agency, and this is the position of the 'five plus one' (P5 + Germany), according to which Iran must satisfy the Agency on these questions. But I want to say that, by constantly threatening and imposing sanctions, we are not making Iran more amenable. How can Iranians change if you do not change? |
| Только Иран меняет поведение всех. Потому что если вы будете придерживаться угроз и санкций, и мы пойдём в Иран и скажем, что вы должны сотрудничать с Агентством, потому что если вы справитесь, если вы закроете все эти вопросы, вот что вам сказали в рамках «пяти плюс один», когда вы удовлетворите всех через Агентство, вы В вашей ядерной программе нет военного измерения, вы бы пользовались правами любого члена Договора о нераспространении ядерного оружия. |
Full house translation — pending review Only Iran changes the behavior of everyone. Because if you stick to threats and sanctions, and we go to Iran and say that you must cooperate with the Agency, because if you succeed, if you close all these questions, that is what you were told within the 'five plus one', when you satisfy everyone through the Agency, you will have no military dimension in your nuclear program, you would enjoy the rights of any member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. |
| 31 Iran Distrusts Regime-Change Agenda; Statements on Israel Unacceptable | |
| Но в ответ на это, Чарли, важно сказать об убеждении, которое Иран нам сказал: «Послушайте, мы не верим, что Запад когда-либо выполнит эту сделку, которую сам Запад нам предложил. Мы считаем, что Запад заинтересован в смене режима, а не в этих постоянных санкциях, которые становятся все более жесткими, и, кстати, санкции становятся экстерриториальными, затрагивая также интересы компаний тех стран, которые добросовестно выполняют резолюции Совета Безопасности, но, естественно, не вводят односторонние санкции». |
Full house translation — pending review But in response to this, Charlie, it is important to mention the conviction that Iran told us: 'Listen, we do not believe that the West will ever carry out this deal that the West itself offered us. We believe that the West is interested in regime change, not in these constant sanctions that are becoming increasingly harsh, and, incidentally, sanctions are becoming extraterritorial, affecting also the interests of companies of those countries that faithfully implement Security Council resolutions, but, naturally, do not impose unilateral sanctions.' |
| Так что Иран убежден, по крайней мере, они нам так говорят. Возможно, у них есть и другие мысли, но они говорят нам, что Запад неискренен, они против нашего режима. И, конечно же, иранцы делают, я бы сказал, совершенно неприемлемые заявления об Израиле, просто неприемлемые, когда они хотят стереть его с лица земли, и это неприемлемо. Да, позвольте мне просто спросить вас вот что, но моя мысль в том, чтобы закончить с Ираном: если мы хотим решить этот вопрос... |
Full house translation — pending review So Iran is convinced, at least that's what they tell us. Perhaps they have other thoughts, but they tell us that the West is insincere, they are against our regime. And, of course, the Iranians make, I would say, completely unacceptable statements about Israel, just unacceptable, when they want to erase it from the face of the earth, and that is unacceptable. Yes, let me just ask you this, but my thought is to finish with Iran: if we want to resolve this issue... |
| Нам действительно нужно взаимодействовать с Ираном так же, как мы должны взаимодействовать с Сирией, и я полностью поддерживаю инициативу президента Мурси, верно? Знаете, в программе вчера вечером он хотел увидеть, да, но, знаете, изолировать Иран. Когда мы хотели пригласить Иран в Женеву на встречу рабочей группы, американцы сказали: «Нет, мы не можем, мы не можем иметь дело с Ираном». Но со всем уважением, хорошо? Позвольте мне спросить вас вот что, Чарли: это важно, со всем уважением. |
Full house translation — pending review We really need to interact with Iran just as we need to interact with Syria, and I fully support President Morsi's initiative, right? You know, in the program last night he wanted to see, yes, but, you know, isolate Iran. When we wanted to invite Iran to Geneva for a working group meeting, the Americans said: 'No, we can't, we can't deal with Iran'. But with all due respect, okay? Let me ask you this, Charlie: this is important, with all due respect. |
| 32 Engaging Iran on Syria and Iraq — Geneva Invitation Refused by US | |
| Когда американцам нужна была помощь Ирана в обеспечении безопасности в Ираке, американцы без колебаний сели за стол переговоров и начали работать с иранцами. Поэтому я считаю, что ситуация с безопасностью в Сирии не менее важна и не менее опасна, чем та, которая существовала в Ираке в то время. Но с Ираном необходимо взаимодействовать. |
Full house translation — pending review When the Americans needed Iran's help in ensuring security in Iraq, the Americans without hesitation sat down at the negotiating table and began working with the Iranians. Therefore, I believe that the security situation in Syria is no less important and no less dangerous than the one that existed in Iraq at that time. But Iran must be engaged. |
| У Ирана есть свои законные убеждения в безопасности, и президент Соединенных Штатов, я имею в виду, что часть того, что он пытался сделать в начале своего президентства, заключалась в том, чтобы взаимодействовать с Ираном. Да, и мы поддерживали разрушение. Он не преуспел, не преуспел, не преуспел. И мы сказали иранцам: Мы считаем, что это была ошибка, и что это следовало захватить, но у нас по-прежнему сохраняется общая позиция «пять плюс один». |
Full house translation — pending review Iran has its own legitimate security concerns, and the President of the United States, I mean, part of what he tried to do at the beginning of his presidency was to engage with Iran. Yes, and we supported the destruction. He did not succeed, did not succeed, did not succeed. And we told the Iranians: We believe that this was a mistake, and that it should have been seized, but we still maintain the common position 'five plus one'. |
| Но позвольте мне спросить вас еще вот что, пока мы об этом говорим, потому что это, по сути, лежит в основе страха. Я думаю, дело в том, что, хотя вы в вашем правительстве и в большинстве правительств не верите и не хотели бы видеть Иран с ядерным оружием, вы сказали, что в настоящее время, мягко говоря, мы считаем, что это представляло бы большую угрозу. Мы считаем, что любое нарушение Договора о нераспространении ядерного оружия представляло бы большую угрозу. |
Full house translation — pending review But let me ask you one more thing while we are talking about this, because this essentially lies at the heart of fear. I think the issue is that, although you in your government and in most governments do not believe and would not want to see Iran with nuclear weapons, you said that currently, to put it mildly, we consider that it would represent a major threat. We consider that any violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty would represent a major threat. |
| Хорошо, вас беспокоит то, что из-за того, как им удавалось затягивать и скрывать некоторые вещи, они могут приблизиться очень близко, настолько близко, что в какой-то момент может быть слишком поздно? Вы хотя бы испытываете это беспокойство или страх из-за только что высказанного вами мнения, что для них было бы ужасно иметь ядерное оружие? |
Full house translation — pending review Okay, you are concerned that because of how they have been able to drag things out and hide some things, they may get very close, so close that at some point it may be too late? Do you at least feel this concern or fear because of the opinion you just expressed that it would be terrible for them to have nuclear weapons? |
| Мы обеспокоены тем, что иранская ядерная программа может иметь военное измерение, потому что МАГАТЭ представило им несколько вопросов, которые остаются без ответа в течение довольно значительного периода времени, и мы будем настаивать на этом, и мы снова сделали очень решительное заявление. |
Full house translation — pending review We are concerned that the Iranian nuclear program may have a military dimension, because the IAEA has presented them several questions that have remained unanswered for a fairly significant period of time, and we will insist on this, and we have again made a very firm statement. |
| В форме резолюции руководящего совета Международного агентства по атомной энергии, соавторами которой выступили все шесть стран, участвующих в этом диалоге с Ираном, мы также считаем, что Иран был бы гораздо более откровенен, если бы знал, что мы не обманываем Иран, когда говорим, что вы выполните эти условия, и вы будете равны и станете полноправным членом НТО, пользуясь всеми правами. |
Full house translation — pending review In the form of a resolution of the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, co-authored by all six countries participating in this dialogue with Iran, we also consider that Iran would be much more open if it knew that we are not deceiving Iran when we say that you will fulfill these conditions, and you will be equal and become a full member of the WTO, enjoying all rights. |
| Если бы президент Ирана действительно угрожал России так же, как он угрожал Израилю, разве он не был бы чрезвычайно обеспокоен, как и израильтяне? Мы уже обеспокоены его заявлениями в адрес Израиля, и мы говорим им, мы говорим иранцам напрямую, что мы категорически не одобряем этого, но они продолжают это делать, поэтому они, очевидно, не слушают, не слушают, не слушают. |
Full house translation — pending review If the President of Iran were truly threatening Russia as he threatens Israel, would he not be extremely concerned, just as the Israelis are? We are already concerned about his statements regarding Israel, and we tell them, we tell the Iranians directly that we categorically disapprove of this, but they continue to do so, so they clearly are not listening, not listening, not listening. |
| 33 North Korea, Double Standards and the Proliferation Message | |
| Но это не означает, что мы не можем забыть о главной цели всего этого мероприятия — убедиться, что в ядерной программе Ирана нет никакого военного измерения, как в корейской. Основная цель – денуклеаризация Корейского полуострова. Кстати, Северная Корея сбросила бомбы с полигона Неразрывной пролива, несколько раз взорвала ядерные устройства и заявила, что будет продолжать это делать. Это посылает сигнал другим странам, обеспокоенным своей безопасностью: если у вас есть бомба, вы в большей безопасности. |
Full house translation — pending review But this does not mean that we cannot forget the main goal of all this event – to ensure that there is no military dimension in Iran's nuclear program, as in the Korean one. The main goal is the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. By the way, North Korea dropped bombs from the Non-Split Peninsula range, detonated nuclear devices several times, and declared that it would continue to do so. This sends a signal to other countries concerned about their security: if you have a bomb, you are safer. |
| 34 Arab Spring to Arab Autumn — Nuclear Winter Warning | |
| Это очень опасная ситуация, поэтому мы должны быть последовательны в своих действиях, будь то продвижение демократических революций на Ближнем Востоке, защита режима нераспространения или разрешение любых других конфликтов. Мы не можем подходить к делам только из-за внутриполитической повестки дня, используя двойные стандарты. Вас беспокоят события «арабской весны»? Я думаю, что эти элементы могут быть связаны с «арабской осенью». И как вы думаете, куда это всё движется? |
Full house translation — pending review This is a very dangerous situation, so we must be consistent in our actions, whether it is promoting democratic revolutions in the Middle East, protecting the non-proliferation regime, or resolving any other conflicts. We cannot approach matters solely based on the domestic agenda, using double standards. Are you concerned about the events of the 'Arab Spring'? I think that these elements may be related to the 'Arab Autumn'. And where do you think all this is heading? |
| Я надеюсь, что это не приведет к ядерной зиме. Что могло бы привести к ядерной зиме? Получение Ираном ядерного оружия, ведь Иран не является арабской страной. Что могло бы привести к ядерной зиме? Это была одна из фигур... Речь, конечно, хорошо, но вы… ядерное оружие… вы должны очень серьезно отнестись к тому, что все больше стран задумываются о том, чтобы купить гарантии безопасности, получив ядерное оружие. Это очень опасно, и угрозы, изоляция и политика только подпитывают эти опасения. |
Full house translation — pending review I hope that this does not lead to a nuclear winter. What could lead to a nuclear winter? Iran obtaining nuclear weapons, since Iran is not an Arab country. What could lead to a nuclear winter? That was one of the figures... The speech, of course, is good, but you... nuclear weapons... you must take very seriously the fact that more and more countries are considering buying security guarantees by obtaining nuclear weapons. This is very dangerous, and threats, isolation, and politics only fuel these concerns. |
| Мы действительно должны думать об общей ситуации в области безопасности не только на Ближнем Востоке, но и во многих других частях мира. И когда эти важнейшие глобальные проблемы, которые, знаете ли, будут иметь последствия для многих из нас… Оказаться заложниками той или иной политической кампании — это действительно очень грустно, очень печально. Знаете, я говорю это искренне. Я надеюсь, мы сможем продолжить этот диалог, потому что я думаю, это важно. Вы очень заняты. Спасибо вам. |
Full house translation — pending review We really must think about the overall security situation not only in the Middle East but in many other parts of the world. And when these vital global issues, which, you know, will have consequences for many of us… become hostages to one political campaign or another — that is truly very sad, very unfortunate. You know, I say this sincerely. I hope we can continue this dialogue, because I think it is important. You are very busy. Thank you. |
| 36 Common Response to Terrorism, WMD and Extremism | |
| Когда бы вы ни зашли, что интересно, ваши слова, сказанные иранцам об Израиле, и поэтому можно надеяться, что у Соединенных Штатов, России и Китая будет больше возможностей прийти к согласию, потому что проблемы, о которых вы говорили, настолько масштабны, что требуют подобных мер, и не только этого, но и региональных держав в любых местах, находящихся вблизи очагов напряженности. Большое спасибо. И я считаю, что мы должны думать об общем ответе на общие угрозы. |
Full house translation — pending review Whenever you come, what is interesting, your words said to the Iranians about Israel, and therefore one can hope that the United States, Russia, and China will have more opportunities to reach agreement, because the issues you spoke about are so large-scale that they require such measures, and not only that, but also regional powers in any places located near the foci of tension. Thank you very much. And I believe that we must think about a common response to common threats. |
| Мы должны думать о противодействии терроризму, распространению ядерного оружия, распространению других видов оружия массового уничтожения и противодействии экстремизму, который растет и подпитывает террористическую деятельность. Я считаю, что, вероятно, наиболее важным вкладом в противодействие этим экстремистским тенденциям будет разрешение конфликта. |
Full house translation — pending review We must think about countering terrorism, the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the proliferation of other types of weapons of mass destruction, and countering extremism, which is growing and fuels terrorist activity. I believe that, probably, the most important contribution to countering these extremist trends will be resolving the conflict. |
| 35 Palestinian Tragedy Sideline Feeds Extremist Recruitment | |
| К сожалению, палестинская проблема из-за всех этих ярких картин арабской весны и арабского саммита, а теперь и арабской осени, отодвинута на второй план, если не еще дальше, и это неправильно. Мы должны понимать, что экстремисты вербуют молодежь, используя это как один из аргументов. Да, я согласен, палестинская трагедия... то, что вы только что сказали... очевидно, многие правительства обеспокоены тем, что не было никакого прогресса в урегулировании отношений между Израилем и палестинцами. |
Full house translation — pending review Unfortunately, the Palestinian issue, because of all these vivid pictures of the Arab Spring and the Arab Summit, and now the Arab Autumn, has been pushed to the background, if not even further, and that is wrong. We must understand that extremists are recruiting youth, using this as one of the arguments. Yes, I agree, the Palestinian tragedy... what you just said... obviously, many governments are concerned that there has been no progress in resolving the relations between Israel and the Palestinians. |
| С другой стороны, есть и другие, которые, основываясь на том, что вы только что сказали, утверждают, что экстремизм вполне может существовать, даже если израильско-палестинский конфликт будет урегулирован. Это не единственная причина, которая движет экстремизмом в мире сегодня. Ну, в наши дни да, но некоторое время назад это была почти единственная причина, а сейчас все гораздо сложнее. Я согласен. Спасибо, с удовольствием. Большое спасибо, как всегда. Сергей Лавров, министр иностранных дел России. |
Full house translation — pending review On the other hand, there are others who, based on what you just said, assert that extremism can very well exist even if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved. This is not the only factor driving extremism in the world today. Well, nowadays yes, but some time ago it was almost the only factor, and now things are much more complicated. I agree. Thank you, with pleasure. Many thanks, as always. Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia. |
| Спасибо, что присоединились к нам. До встречи в следующий раз. |
Full house translation — pending review Thank you for joining us. See you next time. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified consequences for those who persecute and assistance and support for those who work for this common good russia and china have vetoed security council resolution to increase pressure on bashar al-assad's government three times meanwhile the killing in syria continues there are up to 30 000 estimated dead the impasse over syria is just one of the many strains on relations between russia and the united states iran is another so is distrust over nato's missile defense shield earlier this month the kremlin asked us |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified aid the u.s agency of international development to leave russia i'm pleased to have sergey lavrov back at this table welcome thank you very much nice to be back um uh u.s russian relations yes i believe we agree that these relations should be promoted when president obama came to the white house he and his team reassessed the situation uh in the relationship between moscow and washington and suggested what they call the reset of those relations which we supported and i believe that since then we have been uh |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified having understanding between us uh between moscow and washington that the real mutually beneficial partnership and the interest of the russian and american people sent in the interest of international relations given the importance of the two countries can be based on equal mutually respectful mutually beneficial relationship and uh on that road we achieved quite a lot i would be incomplete if i uh don't mention that there are problems of course you mentioned one of them missile defense we think that this is a |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified very critical issue in our relationship uh having uh consequences for the global stability and uh strategic parity uh i would recall that it was the united states who suggested back in 1972 to sign an abm treaty which limited the missile deployment by the soviet union at that time and russia and it was all these decades considered by the military of both countries as being a very important factor of the strategic stability so removing this factor from the overall balance is certainly going to have a destabilizing |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified context we still have time it is not unlimited but we are open for continuing these discussions and of course president putin confirmed this to president obama another area of irritation i would say uh is the civil society in russia we're all in favor of civil society uh interaction between the two countries but on the basis which would not be tantamount to lecturing and indicating to domestic things as something which gives the united states the right you know to pass judgments and to adopt legislations like the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified one which is being considered now on the heel regarding the uh magnitsky case right this would be certainly something which will be detrimental to our relationship the attempts to interfere into legal procedures of other countries are not really welcomed by normal states and normal governments and this is absolutely the case uh between russia and the united states we are all in favor of continuing our dialogue on the human rights especially since we do have some complaints about treating treatment of russians by |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the american authorities i mentioned the adopted children there were cases when russians were literally kidnapped for being accused of something which they never did only for intentions and intentions having been provoked by the fbi agents like uh it was the case in liberia with the gentleman called yaroshanka or with mr boot who was extradited from thailand in spite of the fact that the thai court ruled against extradition yes and he was the executive dealer extradited for referring to the man who was accused of |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified being an arms dealer yeah yeah that's exactly the the gentleman and he was approached by undercover agents and he was provoked into giving his uh agreement his intention to provide some transportation services and they both got huge sentences uh while the people who murdered the russian kids in adopt in the families who adopted them basically get out without any real punishment but having said this i do believe that there are always problems between any two countries especially such big countries as the united |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified states and the russian federation and i would end by quoting a statement by the russian foreign minister who was at that time they called they were called chancellors mr gorczykov the longest-serving minister of the russian empire who said once russia and the united states if only because of the geographical location are called upon to show natural solidarity of interests and sympathies to which they have repeatedly committed themselves all right there's much to talk about there but let me um talk about where |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified there seems to be differences uh there's much conversation obviously at this u.n session about syria uh tell me exactly what you think so we can understand the differences between the u s government and the american government on the u.s government and the russian government on syria what is the circumstance on the ground today as you understand it uh well it's a it's a civil war uh with more and more uh international dimension because the countries who insist that before a dialogue can start president assad must |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified go they do not hide the their support for the rebels the three syrian army which has been dominated by the muslim brotherhood is not the army or not the only group who is fighting the government the elements associated and affiliated with al-qaeda are there the other splintered terrorist groups are also present no one doubting this this is an uh all-out civil war is increasing international component as i said and it's it's it's uh it's terrible what's the russian okay i mean is it a stalemate now do you think |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the rebels are winning because they seem to from a distance to be gaining territory and bases depends uh on to whom you listen unless you listen if you listen to the government i don't have any objective independent source of giving any assessment of the military situation we are concerned more not with who is winning but with how to stop it and what do you suggest the world do to well we suggest uh to do what we all agreed to do in geneva on the 30th of june when on the initiative of kofi annan supported by us |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified there was a meeting a ministerial with the participation of all five permanent members of the security council arab league in the person of its secretary general uh prime minister of qatar minister of kuwait as well as foreign minister of turkey european union and the person of kathy ashton and the united nations secretary general and we spent some eight agonizing hours on that saturday and we produced a document called geneva communique by consensus and we believe that this was a very fair compromise between the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified uh key outside players uh which should be impressed and imposed upon the parties we then received a positive response from the asset government this communique among other things asked the government and their position to appoint interlocutors to start a dialogue on the composition of transitional governing body uh the body which would be empowered to prepare elections and the new constitution and the government appointed such interlocutor their position not only didn't do the same they rejected the document |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified altogether but this was as i said a consensus on the political part of the crisis reached by all key outside players later suggested to endorse this document in the security council and our our partners refuse so what happened mr assad under this document under this document the government and must appoint interlocutors and to discuss on the basis of agreement who would be part of the transitional governing body this body would have full authority in the country and would be in charge you know to to prepare the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified new constitutional draft to be put referendum and to prepare for free and fair elections you think it's unreasonable to ask president assad after all the killing by the government of other syrians to step down well uh it's it's something which people say and we have a choice we have either put as number one priority immediate cessation of the bloodshed and by that try to save as many lives as possible which is our position and which is by the way reflected in this geneva community the alternative is to say unless |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified and until he steps down we will encourage the opposition to continue the fighting and this option i believe it's it doesn't require any any explanation this option means that for the purpose of removing president asset those who choose this option are prepared to pay the price in human in human lives of the syrian people so you want to put the police on them rather than on this side in the lives of the syrian people no charlie no i i don't try to put the blame on anyone i present a factual situation if we all say |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified that the bloodshed must stop and if this is our predominant goal then everyone from outside who have any influence on any of the syrian party must in a synchronized manner leaned on all of them and to tell them stop fighting and then sit down and discuss uh what the future uh of your country would like to see so you were saying there'd be conversations between the assad and his choices and the rebels and their choices to try to no i'm saying that if we have number one priority to save human lives then this is the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified way this is the shortcut if the priority number one is to remove present asset like it was the priority number one to me to remove milosevic in in yugoslavia or to remove saddam hussein in iraq or gaddafi and libya yeah then of course people should understand that this would be slightly different from saving life lives immediately all the examples you just showed do you think they're bad precedents whether it was milosevic or whether it was gaddafi or whether it's saddam hussein were they bad precedents that |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified russia disagreed with on each count i you know we disagreed with any use of force uh which was not authorized by the security council it is said that your government and you are you know were very much uh upset by what happened in libya uh in terms of what the united kingdom would what the security council authorized and and what um the french government did that that somehow so offended you you know that that colors your impression of what you're prepared to do in syria well offended is not the right choose the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified right word to describe it uh no one likes you know when people cheat and when it relates to international issues of huge importance involving hundreds and thousands of human lives the cheating is having given even heavier price what's the cheating we were not the cheating was uh on the no-fly zone the no-fly zone uh this notion when it was first introduced during the iraqi crisis the uh explanation given at that time was that the no-fly zone means that saddam hussein does not have the right to move his air force |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified and any other aircraft and that the iraqi airspace would be patrolled by the coalition which was authorized by the security council and that the only case when the fire could be opened was when saddam hussein actually flies his planes or when a coalition patrolling the iraqi airspace is locked by his radar what was the case in libya i don't think i need to to to recall we have not been and of course another cheating was on the arms embargo resolution which was adopted by consensus we didn't even abstain we voted |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified for it uh only to see that you know later uh the countries like france and qatar by the way were openly bragging that they were supplying arms to the in violation of the security council resolutions i want to make one thing very clear we were not wedded to mr gaddafi we are to mr assad he was educated not in the russian federation he was educated in europe his friends were in western europe not in russia and when people say that you are protecting president assad this is absolute uh ignorance of the real |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified situation i believe you're protecting him and why am i ignorant in what way charlie can you tell me in what way are we protecting him several ways most people believe that if they did not have russian support that and and iranian support he would not last very long both in terms of arms and an iranian case some suggest more than that without iranian support and russian support most people believe that president assad would be out of in a shorter time than otherwise he might last that's the power of the media the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified media covering the syrian crisis in most cases and politicians by the way when they address the public through the media thinking i i believe not only about the future of syria but also of their domestic political positioning they speak in very straightforward and simple if not to say simplistic slogans assad is a butcher assad belongs to the fake tribunal assad is a criminal he holds he has no place in syria or anywhere on earth and this of course penetrates the minds of the audience uh you believe none of |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified that's true uh well i believe that we have to see the picture in its entirety assad is responsible for many things he is the most responsible person for the crisis which we have in syria he has made a lot of mistake ignoring good advice given to him by the countries of the region by russia china by many others he has been doing too little too late and we are not writing this off but we cannot make uh you know uh an impression we cannot pretend that he is fighting every day unarmed people the uh armed opposition |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified started i think in may 2011 and there was still time you know to deal and we have been uh calling upon him and upon the position because we are meeting with all opposition groups not only outside syria but with those who are positioned inside and we have been pushing them in the same direction but when we tell our opposition partners or syrian opposition representatives that we believe that you should forget now about uh you know who is uh more important in in the position movement you should forget about your |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified personal hatred why don't you think about the people why don't you stop fighting and they have been telling us in response you know but other uh foreign partners of ours they give us a different advice they tell us keep fighting until the end raise your voice saying that russia must topple assad and you will and you will prevail tell me uh when people say if by the way on on the issue of arms we have fulfilled the contracts signed long ago some of them related to repairs and servicing of the equipment sold to |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified syria by the soviet union still uh suggesting that been no arms that were not part of an old contract is that what you're saying no and we have not and we have not signed any new contract since this crisis started i cannot speak for iran of course there are some reports which have to be looked into but they can only speak for and when people say that if only russia and china could support a chapter 7 resolution i asked my uh colleagues uh what how do they see the implementation of this resolution and you know |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified what some of them told me well why don't we introduce ams embargo and sanctions sanctions and arms embargo has already have already been introduced by the united states by the european union by quite a number of other countries including the countries of the persian gulf the arab league and the staff these sanctions were introduced without uh even informing us not to mention consulting with us they were introduced by passing the security council long before those resolutions were proposed for a vote but imagine |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified there is a chapter seven resolution adopted let's hypothetically imagine this situation uh and the there is no answer what will be the difference some of them uh talk between uh i mean talk with each other and we happen to know what they say and one of them one idea is any reference to chapter seven would be enough to start outside interference all right i've got to go to this point because you know please most of the world it seems to me and you can um say i simply am wrong believes that assad should go believes |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified that the atrocities on behalf of his government has gone beyond the pale that they have been so egregious in terms of what he has done and people fighting for him have done that he has to step down before you can find any look at the future of syria and that and the other countries in the region whether it's turkey iran their various suggestions ought to be involved in looking at the future of syria you obviously are concerned about the future of syria it's been a friend of russia's and you're concerned about who |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified might be part of a new government you know and who makes up that kind of government that's one question but the other question is for someone who had committed the kinds of actions that assad has to say he can remain in power until we find some negotiated agreement to stop the violence uh it seems unacceptable to most other nations and every leader that i talk to wants to see him go except president ahmadinejad who i invented interviewed yesterday and the russian government how many people support your position |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified on assad you know this is not about being part of the crowd this is about fairness this is about our convictions there are atrocities there are war war crimes war crimes in syria and atrocities and this has been documented and reported by the u.n human rights commission's u.n human rights council's independent commission uh which presented its report uh recently to the security council and which says that both the government and their position are guilty yeah but i i don't think they are get equal guilt on that |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified case i mean no more isolation did not say that that they that they mentioned equal guilt right i only said what i said charlie right that they both that both government and their position have been engaged in attracting atrocities and something which can be described as war crimes uh we are not wedded to president asset we don't want you know to say that this is a person who can lead the new syria some people say do you believe he can leave south syria do you actually i said that we're not looking for somebody |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified who can replace him we're not looking you said it is important for us who would be leading syria personalities are not important what is important for us is not to allow this crisis degenerate into the uh sectarian war because there are all indications that this is a very probable scenario what is important for us that all those who live in syria and to whom president obama alluded in his speech to the general assembly uh the sunnis the shia the alavis druzes christians kurds that all they know that their their |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified rights their security their economic political social rights would be respected in the country don't most people believe that does anybody not believe that that those political rights ought to be respected and that they are this is important for us and this is much more important that than hunt for the head of a single person the dialogue between the opposition and government which the geneva communique endorsed provided for interlocutors to be appointed and their position would have a veto on the composition of |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the transitional governing body and uh that's as as simple as that how do you think this situation this terrible uh killing taking place in the country syrians against syrians other groups have come in everybody acknowledges that not to count mercenaries exactly they've come in nobody questions that whether it's al-qaeda i hope they will not be part of the dialogue fair enough and and i think most people believe that and there's some concern obviously in other arab countries uh in other parts of the world |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified including the west about who has taken advantage of this situation and what role they might play in the future that's not us that's a concern shared by many people yes not us not us meaning what meaning not us who who are benefiting from this situation you said who is benefiting from this um i was just trying to make the point that there are a lot of groups that are that are there and come in everybody recognizes they've come in and and it's a concern for many people and you just expressed the same concern did |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified you not yes i did okay so i mean do you believe that assad would stay in power and would fight a long drawn-out civil war if he did not have the support of russia do you look uh first before answering this question i really want i sincerely want to understand what do you mean by support from russia you tell me that we say we are not going to endorse a security council resolution which is uh demanding a unilateral capitulation of the regime yes we we cannot let this resolution pass because this is absolutely |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified unrealistic and this would only invite outside intervention one is it so one is it when a regime is committing war crimes and so morally offensive to any civil society that that everything has to be done that's possible to support those in opposition and to change the government that is committing when would you suggest that's an appropriate action to change the government i don't think we can visualize such a there's no situation there is one one very straightforward example there were several terrorist attacks |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified against the syrian government uh not only against the security uh headquarters but also against uh absolutely civilian sites uh social uh health infrastructure and a couple of times the security council like it like it always does after big terrorist attacks a couple of times the security council condemned those terrorist attacks as of a few months ago uh our colleagues including the united states delegation the security council started refusing to condemn terrorist and administrative sites and the reason given |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified to us was that exactly what you said uh the regime is absolutely inhuman and basically anything goes this is a very scary position to justify terrorist attacks by anything was never acceptable to the united states to the western general to russia to all other civilized countries and i believe this is a very slippery slope i i hear you and and you made that very clear and and make that case from your own perspective when you sat down with me and we've known each other for a long time you said that this has become |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified much more than syria what did you mean um well it means that almost you said i heard something like i'm not sure clash of civilizations to some extent yes and also to some uh what the world order is going to be whether we are going to re respect the united nations chatter or it would be a free-for-all when people say that it is unacceptable that russia and china use their veto power and that let's bypass the united nations the security council is in a stalemate it's uh unbearable uh let me remind you that the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified veto is part of the united nations charter it's part of the international law embodied in its most important instrument the veto right for the permanent members of the security council was the proposal of the united states of america in san francisco conference and the americans refused to create a united nations organizations without this provision so veto is part of international law the founding fathers of the united nations in their wisdom in their wisdom agreed that unless the five permanent members see eye |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified to eye the decisions would not be workable i agree with that but i mean i i am also asking if do you ever consider the fact that in this case you are very much on the wrong side of history uh well uh you can only judge when history evolves and we are now uh watching history in the making uh when my good friend colin powell yeah was uh shaking this vial with some white powder in the security council uh the americans were telling us unless we authorized the use of force against iraq we would be on the wrong part of |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified history and it turned out to be that there was no anthrax in that violence okay that's a very good point i'm glad you made that because the one great of people because of the nature of this conflict is that there are chemical weapons which in there which are com of great concern to the surrounding countries to the united states and what might happen to them do you have that concern yeah we do have this concern and we convey this we convey this concern to the syrian government uh we helped i hope i'm not revealing |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified any big secret we help the american experts to get in touch with the syrians on this particular point uh and we receive the explanations and assurances uh that the syrian government is protecting those sites uh and your confidence in the best if it depends on the syrian government i think we we have checked through the means available to us and we can uh say that for the time being it is safe the the the biggest time the biggest risk for this chemical weapons uh to get in into the wrong hands uh is if they are if |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the sites are taken by al-qaeda and the like and maybe even by the parts of these free syrian army because they have been openly calling for al-qaeda to coordinate with them that is the worry of a lot of people what's russia prepared to do if it looks like they may find fall into those hands so far we don't have this information i prefer not to not to guess this is a too serious a matter we have been and continue to watch it very closely and this is something on which we uh regularly exchange our assessments with |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified our partners in other countries if president assad should change his mind about his possibility of survival and he looks at what's happened in the middle east and says um it's time for me to go that would be his decision if he makes that decision will russia help him go uh you mean if whether we receive him yes i mean whether you help him go provide security for him to go and and even offer him asylum no no we would not offer him asylum as i said uh he was friends uh with some other countries yes to the north of |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified to the north west of and this is up to those who threatened him with all possible punishments but we would not be telling him to go not because we believe that he is indispensable not at all for us it does not matter uh who can rule syria as long as syria is democratic free and comfortable for all minorities but uh he would not go un until and unless he decides it for himself right and that's as simple as that he won't help him and you won't provide a place for him if people if people believe that by cornering |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified him they achieve this purpose then this is their judgment uh so far it looks that by cornering him they make him more and more uh persistent in fighting until the end and we are back to the notion of how many lives you can save by one option or buy another option let me turn to iran while you're here um do you believe that the iranians want to have a nuclear capacity do you believe they should and if they do what should happen well i know one thing for sure that iranians want to have full nuclear fuel cycle which |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified is absolutely in line with non-proliferation treaty which is not prohibited from the full nuclear fuel cycle it's not too far to weapon grade enrichment of uranium we have no indications that iran has taken a political decision to go military in its nuclear but a political decision to have the capacity is different is it not no no no no you can't as i said just as i said they do not hide they make it public and iaa knows this that they want to have full nuclear fuel cycle which is allowed and which is absolutely |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified legal under the non-proliferation you believe they want enough enriched uranium that they can make a nuclear grade uh weapon if in fact uh they if in fact they have enough enriched fuel and they can and have the technology and the means to do it but have not done it as i said let me let me finish continue uh from this stage of having full nuclear fuel cycle technology to the stage of producing weapon-grade uranium right there is not a very long road i am not an expert i don't know how long it is but probably a |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified year or so uh maybe more but there is no indication that iran has taken a political decision to do this and there is no indication that they started doing this and the american information which is made public by mr panetta every now and then is the same the assessment is that there is no political decision in iran so uh if people believe that the more you provoke iran the sooner iran would take this decision then i think that this is a very dangerous path we are categorically against violation of the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified non-proliferation regime we are against iran or any other country getting nuclear weapons but to get there to this goal of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons we all need uh to rely on reasonable approaches because if isolation is the slogan of the day more and more sanctions uh threats to boomerang uh and god forbid if this happens what will suffer immediately is cooperation between iran and international atomic energy agency which for the time being is monitoring under its control all declared nuclear sites in |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified iran which for the time being reports that they did not discover any indications that iran has any military dimension in the nuclear program which of course also reports that it cannot make a hundred percent guarantee statement that iran does not have something which they don't know and that's exactly what we believe must be the focus of international efforts make sure that iran satisfies the agency with the questions agency still has vis-a-vis iranian nuclear program and that's the do position believe that so |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified far that the iranian government uh in terms of the iaea has been transparent and has been forthcoming and has done everything that it can to prove to them that it has no intent as far as the nuclear sites are concerned as far as iran legal obligations and the non-proliferation proliferation treaty are concerned iran is cooperating with the agency and the agency confirms this in its reports iran is not a regular member of npt because there was a hidden program which was discovered some time ago and which is the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified subject of the agency work in iran to clarify exactly what you're asking charlie whether there is something the agency does not know which might relate to iranian plans to have military dimension in their nuclear program there is a list of questions right formulated by the agency and that is the position of the five plus one p5 plus germany that iran must satisfy the agency on those issues but my point is that by threatening and sanctioning again and again we are not making iran more cooperative iranians how |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified would you change whenever you don't change only iran you change behavior of everybody because if you stick to the threats uh and sanctions uh and we go to iran and say you must cooperate with the agency because if you do cope if you close all these issues this is what five plus one told you when you satisfy everyone uh through the agency that you don't have any military dimension in in your nuclear program you would enjoy the rights of any npt member but in response to this that's important charlie about the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified persuasion iran told us look we don't the west would ever deliver on this deal which the west itself proposed to us we believe that the west is about the regime change that this permanent sanctions which have been tighter and tight and by the way sanctions are becoming ex-territorial uh also touching upon the interest of companies of those countries who faithfully implement the security council resolutions but do not implement naturally unilateral sanctions so iran is convinced at least they tell us maybe they uh |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified they have you know some other thoughts but what they tell us is that the west is not sincere they are against our regime and of course of course iranians are making very i would say unacceptable statements about israel uh just unacceptable when they want to wipe them off the face of the earth and that's unacceptable yeah let me just ask you this but but my point is to to to end with iran that if we want uh to resolve the issue we really have to engage iran like we must engage around on syria and i fully support |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the initiative of president morsi right you know the program last night he wants to see yes but to you know isolate iran uh when we wanted to invite iran to geneva uh to this action group meeting uh the americans said no we cannot we cannot deal with uh but with all respect okay let me ask you this charlie one thing it's important with all respect when americans needed iranian assistance on security situation in iraq the americans did not hesitate to sit down and deal with iranians so i believe that the security |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified situation in syria is no less important and there's no less dangerous than the one which uh prevailed in iraq at that time but iran must be engaged iran has its own legitimate security belief that the president united states i mean that part of what he tried to do at the beginning of his administration this president was to engage iran yes and we supported the destruction he was not successful it was not it was not and we said uh to iranians that this was a mistake we believe that this should have been grabbed uh |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified but we still have uh the common but let me ask you this too and while we talk about this because this is sort of at the heart of the fear i think it is that while you in your government and most government do not believe would not like to see iran have nuclear weapons you've said that here at this time not like is to put it very mildly exactly we think it would be a great threat well we think any violation of npt treaty would be a great threat okay do you have any worry that because of the way they've been able |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified to delay and hide and some of those things that they may be getting very close so close that at some point it might be too late do you at least have that concern or fear because of your just expressed notion that it would be terrible for them to have well we have we have concern that iranian nuclear program might have a military dimension because the iaea presented to them several questions which remain unanswered for quite considerable period of time and we will insist on this and we did again a very strong |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified statement uh in the form of the resolution of the governing board of international atomic energy agency co-sponsored by all six countries who participate in this uh dialogue with iran we also believe that iran would be much more forthcoming if it knows that we are not cheating on uh iran when we say that you fulfill this dimas and you will will be equal and you know full member of npt enjoying all the rights if in fact you uh the president of iran had made the kind of threats against russia that he had made |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified against israel wouldn't you be enormously concerned as the israelis are well we already are concerned with his statements with israel and we tell them we tell the iranians directly that we absolutely disapprove of this but they continue to do it so they obviously are not listening they're not listening they're not listening but this does not mean uh that we have uh that we can't forget about the predominant goal in all this exercise to make sure that iran does not have any dimension which is military in its like |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified in korean peninsula the predominant goal is to decl denuclearize the korean peninsula by the way and by the way uh north korea uh dropped from npt north korea exploded couple of times nuclear devices and said that it will continue to do so and um you know it sends a message to some other countries who are concerned about their security that if you have a bomb you are safer and this is a very dangerous situation so we really have to to be consistent in what we do whether in promoting democratic revolutions in the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified middle east whether to safeguard the non-proliferation regime or whether resolving any other conflict we cannot approach things just because of the domestic political agenda uh using double standards do you have fears about the arab spring well i think about those elements might be in the arab autumn and fears about the arab autumn and where you think it's going uh well i hope it is not going to the what would lead it to the nuclear winter iran getting a nuclear weapon which is not an arab country what would lead |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified to the nuclear winter uh well this was a figure of speech of course okay but but you uh nuclear weapon was that you should devastate very seriously that that more and more countries are thinking of uh buying security guarantees by way of going nuclear it is a very dangerous thing and the threats isolations policies they only fuel these concerns and we have really to think about the overall security landscape not only in the middle east uh in many other parts of the world and when these uh most important uh global |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified issues uh which will you know uh have consequences for many of us are becoming hostages to one or another political campaign it's it's really uh very sad very saddening um you know i genuinely mean this i hope we can continue this dialogue because i think it's important uh you're very busy uh i thank you whenever you come by uh what's interesting is you know your expressions of you have said to the iranians about israel and you know and and therefore one would hope uh that there would be more of a possibility for |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified the united states and russia and china to be on the same page because the issues that you have talked about are of that magnitude that it demands that kind of thing not only that but also regional powers in any of the places that are near kindling temperature well thank you very much and i do believe that we have to think about the common response to common threats we have to think about countering terrorism nuclear proliferation proliferation of other weapons of mass destruction and countering extremism which is |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified growing and which is fueling terrorist activities i believe that probably the single most important contribution to countering this extremist trends would be resolution of the palestinian issue unfortunately because of all these vivid pictures of the arab spring and the arab summit now arab autumn the palestinian issue is put to the back burner if not even further and this is wrong we have to understand that extremists recruit young people uh using as one of the arguments yeah i agree the palestinian tragedy you |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified what you have just said um clearly there are a lot of governments that are concerned they've been no progress on the settlement of the relationship between israel and the palestinians the israelis and the palestinians on the other hand there are others would argue based on what you just said that there might very well be extremism even if they settled the israeli-palestinian conflict that's not the only reason that drives extremism in the world today well these days yes but some some time ago it was almost the |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified single reason but now it is much complex i agree thank you pleasure thank you very much as always sergey lavrov foreign minister of russia thank you for joining us see you next |