Transcript
Sergey Lavrov Interview with RTVi
English includes full house translations. Review is pending; untranslated passages and selected digest glosses remain labelled.
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| 1 RTVi's First Lavrov Interview — Viewer Question Format | |
| начнём Спасибо Сергей Викторович за то что вы решили дать согласились дать интервью телекомпании artv это впервые за все годы существования компании что для нас особенно важно и сразу предупрежу что у нас будет формат интервью который включает вопросы зрителей то есть мы заявили Заря о том что мы будем брать интервью с главой мит Российской Федерации пришло огромное количество вопросов мы постарались отобрать лучшие самые интересные и начну конечно же я с Кореи Соединённые Штаты Америки отказались от испытаний |
Full house translation — pending review let's begin. Thank you, Sergey Viktorovich, for agreeing to give an interview to the television company Art TV. This is the first time in all the years of the company's existence, which is especially important for us. And I will immediately warn you that we will have an interview format that includes questions from viewers. That is, we announced to Zarya that we would interview the head of the RF MIT. A huge number of questions came to us. We tried to select the best, the most interesting ones, and I will start, of course, with Korea. The United States of America refused from the trials. |
| межконтинентальной баллистической ракеты насколько нам известно и Мотивация была следующее чтобы не раздражать Северную Корею то есть на западе насколько нам Понятно вполне серьёзно более чем серьёзно относится уже к угрозе которая исходит из хинина вот на ваш взгляд всё-таки третий Ким он блефует или это всё серьёзно и есть ли опасность войны реально сейчас насчёт того что причиной того или иного шага является желание не раздражать Севе я бы сказал так там раздражителей уже больше чем достаточно причём со всех |
Full house translation — pending review of the intercontinental ballistic missile as far as we know and the motivation was as follows not to irritate North Korea that is to say in the West as far as we understand quite seriously more than seriously already relates to the threat which comes from the quinine so in your opinion is Kim the third bluffing or is this all serious and is there a danger of war really now regarding the fact that the cause of one step or another is the desire not to irritate Sev I would say so there are already more than enough irritants moreover from all sides |
| 3 DPRK Nuclear and Missile Tests Violate UNSC Resolutions | |
| сторон безусловно неприемлемо когда государство в данном случае корейская народно-демократическая республика член организации Объединённых Наций откровенно вызывающе нарушает резолюцию совета безопасности и на эту тему мы вместе со всеми другими членами совбеза не раз высказывались и последний такой случай был в ответ на испытания которые хинин осуществил в нарушении своих обязательств одновременно Мы убеждены что и так ситуация очень серьёзная потому что ядерные взрывы запуски ракет Это не шутки но риторика |
Full house translation — pending review the position is absolutely unacceptable when the state in this case the Democratic People's Republic of Korea a member of the United Nations organization blatantly provocatively violates the Security Council resolution and on this topic we have spoken more than once together with all other members of the Security Council and the last such case was in response to the tests which Chining carried out in violation of its obligations at the same time we are convinced that the situation is very serious because nuclear explosions rocket launches this is not a joke but rhetoric |
| 2 US ICBM Test Cancellation as a Positive De-escalation Step | |
| играет не менее вредную роль потому что в какой-то момент взаимные обвинения взаимные угрозы взаимные предупреждения могут дости Когда уже люди сами себя загонят в Уго и пере общественным мнением нужно будет действовать предъявить нужно будет общественному мнени поэтому мы последовательно упорно добиваемся того чтобы ситуацию успокоить в это связи конечно же отмены любых действий связанных с демонстрацией военной мощи является позитив рение штат который принял Пентагон с удобрением президента Обамы как я понимаю |
Full house translation — pending review plays no less a harmful role because at some point mutual accusations, mutual threats, mutual warnings may reach [a point where] when people themselves drive themselves into a corner and the public opinion needs to act, present [demands], the public opinion needs to [be addressed], therefore we consistently and stubbornly strive to calm the situation, in this connection, of course, the cancellation of any actions related to the demonstration of military power is a positive [step], the decision of the [US] state which the Pentagon took with the approval of President Obama, as I understand it ] |
| 4 Rhetoric and Mutual Threats as Dangerous as Military Actions | |
| но это в общем-то должно нас всех побудить к тому чтобы не накручивать дальше Вот эту конфронтацию не нагнетать эмоции а постараться методом дипломатии скорее всего это должна быть Тихая не публичная дипломатия вывести ситуацию из этой вот обочины куда она свалилась на всё-таки дорогу которая ведёт к возобновлению шесто переговоров мы этим занимаемся Мы работаем и с Пхеньяна само собой Разумеется тесно координируя наши действия с китайскими соседями с американцами работаем с японцами с республикой Корея В общем |
Full house translation — pending review but this in general should motivate us all not to escalate further this confrontation not to stir up emotions but to try through diplomacy most likely this should be quiet not public diplomacy to bring the situation out of this side of the road where it has fallen onto the road that leads to the resumption of six-party negotiations we are engaged in this we are working and with Pyongyang of course naturally closely coordinating our actions with Chinese neighbors with Americans we work with Japanese with the Republic of Korea in general |
| 5 Quiet Diplomacy and the Path Back to Six-Party Talks | |
| со всеми участниками шести сторонних переговоров пока трудно сказать чем это увенчаться Но мне бы не хотелось чтобы с одной стороны цена само утверждение проявлялось в нагнетании риторики И тем более в каких-то противоправных действиях А с другой стороны тоже не загоняла с бы ситуация в угол в силу стремления доказать что вот мы всех можем призвать к порядку здесь нужно действовать не силовыми методами не угрозами а успокоения ситуации повторю ещё раз меры предпринимаются чем они увенчать сейчас сказать не могу |
Full house translation — pending review it is still difficult to say how all the participants in the six side negotiations will conclude, but I would not like for the price of the very statement to be manifested in inflaming rhetoric, and even more so in some unlawful actions, and on the other hand, not to drive the situation into a corner due to the desire to prove that we can call everyone to order; here it is necessary to act not with forceful methods, not with threats, but to calm the situation; I repeat once again, measures are being taken, and I cannot say now how they will conclude. ] |
| 7 Viewer Question — Should Russia Side More Decisively with North Korea? | |
| Мы надеемся на на лучшее вот один из наших зрителей Дмитрий петько Он спрашивает не считаете ли вы что для предотвращения войны в Корее Россия может более решительно выступить на стороне Северной Кореи то есть вот многие наши зрители на самом деле они пишут о том что э со стороны Москвы им хотелось бы увидеть более решительных действий вот насколько сейчас грань вот достигнута когда действительно Вы видите что ещё один шаг и что-то произойдёт непоправимое есть такое Я не думаю что тут требуется делать выборы |
Full house translation — pending review We hope for the best, here is one of our viewers, Dmitry Petenko. He asks, do you not think that to prevent war in Korea, Russia could take a more decisive stand on the side of North Korea? That is, many of our viewers actually write that from Moscow's side, they would like to see more decisive actions. How far has the line been reached now, when indeed you see that one more step and something irreversible will happen? Is there such a thing? I do not think that here it is necessary to make elections. |
| 6 Russia Coordinating with All Six-Party Participants | |
| принимать решение о том На чьей стороне выступать Мы хотим выступать на стороне разума и на стороне мирного урегулирования всё остальное - это уже от эмоций вот бедные Северная Корея Если ваши зрители исходят из этой логики её окружают проводят учение военные причём такие массированные и военно-морские и сухопутные и воздушные и эти уче действительно не помогают и мы об этом американцам и японцам и южнокорейское свои учения Но это безрассудный путь и думаю что здесь желание отметиться может быть сорвать какие-то |
Full house translation — pending review to make a decision about on which side to stand We want to stand on the side of reason and on the side of peaceful settlement everything else is already from emotions well poor North Korea If your viewers proceed from this logic they surround her conduct exercises military moreover such massive and naval and land and air and these exercises really do not help and we about this to Americans and Japanese and South Korean their own exercises But this is a reckless path and I think that here the desire to distinguish oneself may ruin some |
| 8 US, Japan and South Korea Military Exercises as Reckless | |
| Аплодисменты у какой-то части аудитории путём вот такой достаточно экзотической позиции Я думаю оно должно всё-таки уступить место поиску ни ситуации по всем фронтам Следующий вопрос естественно касается российско-американских отношений по мнению множества аналитиков экспертов политиков надежды на улучшение отношений всё-таки не оправдались и вот на ваш взгляд Барак Обама и администрация президента США переизбран они движутся в правильном направлении нет ли разочарования у вас лично и у Правительства Российской |
Full house translation — pending review Applause from a certain part of the audience by means of such a rather exotic position I think it should still give way to searching for a situation on all fronts The next question naturally concerns Russia-US relations in the opinion of many analysts experts politicians hope for improved relations still did not come true and now in your opinion Barack Obama and the US administration re-elected are they moving in the right direction is there disappointment for you personally and for the Government of the Russian |
| 9 Russia–US Relations — Facts Over Emotions, Always Wanting More | |
| Федерации в нынешнем главе бело всегда хочется большего в любой ситуации в отношениях с любой страной с любым человеком с которым ты видишь перспектива реализации каких-то совместных взаимовыгодных проектов поэтому здесь тоже мы стараемся опираться на факты и не поддаваться эмоциям у нас за первую четырёх летку президент Обамы немало достигнуто полезного Конечно же это договор о стратегических наступательных вооружения который успешно выполняется обе стороны это подтверждают и выражают по этому поводу |
Full house translation — pending review Federation in the current head white always want more in any situation in relations with any country with any person with whom you see the prospect of implementation of some joint mutually beneficial projects so here too we try to rely on facts and not succumb to emotions during the first four years of the presidency Obama achieved a lot of useful things Of course this is the treaty on strategic offensive arms which is successfully implemented by both sides this is confirmed and expressed about this |
| 11 Nuclear Energy Cooperation Agreement in Force | |
| удовлетворение мы ввели в действие соглашение о сотрудничестве в Мирном использовании атомной энергии которая э и с точки зрения нераспространения технологий опасных и с точки зрения экономических интересов России и Соединённых Штатов весьма выгодно и Москве и вашингтону э мы э подписали такое прорывное соглашение о в облегчении визового режима теперь бизнесмены и туристы могут получать многократно 3 года причём срок рассмотрения обращения по-моему 2 недели такого тоже раньше не было Ну и у нас целый ряд таких |
Full house translation — pending review satisfaction we put into effect an agreement on cooperation in the peaceful use of atomic energy which is and from the point of view of non-proliferation of dangerous technologies and from the point of view of economic interests of Russia and the United States very profitable and in Moscow and Washington we signed such a breakthrough agreement on easing the visa regime now businessmen and tourists can get multiple 3 years moreover the term for considering the application is in my opinion 2 weeks such was not before now and we have a whole series of such |
| 10 Obama First-Term Achievements — New START Successfully Implemented | |
| важных культурно-массовая Чкалова тоже мероприятия прошли очень интересные И сейчас мы готовим проект который будет обеспечивать тесное сотрудничество между национальными заповедниками на Чукотке и на Аляске называется берин это лишь некоторый пример конечно мы бы хотели больше например Владимир Путин ещё 2 года назад высказался за то чтобы мы не ограничивались просто послабления в визовом режиме А вообще двигались к отмене виз Мы не видим причин по котом сделать И конечно же у нас сохраняются раздражители |
Full house translation — pending review important cultural mass Chkalov also events passed very interesting and now we are preparing a project which will ensure close cooperation between national reserves in Chukotka and in Alaska called Bering this is just some example of course we would like more for example Vladimir Putin already 2 years ago expressed the view that we should not limit ourselves simply to relaxations in the visa regime but generally move towards the cancellation of visas We do not see reasons to do so and of course we still have irritants |
| 12 Visa Facilitation and Putin's Goal of Visa-Free Travel | |
| противоракетной обороны это один из очевидных случаев один из очевидных случаев Конечно мы обратили внимание Мы на всё обращаем внимание что связано с противоракетной обороной обратили внимание на решение отложить четв фазы читала что они заявили американцы официально что это окончательно бесповоротно решение что четвёртой фазы развёртывания про Восточно Европе не будет Российская страна насколько известно нам заявила о том что своих планов не изменит свое в американских заявлениях бесповоротно на сей счёт не |
Full house translation — pending review of missile defense is one of the obvious cases, one of the obvious cases. Of course, we have paid attention; we pay attention to everything related to missile defense. We have paid attention to the decision to postpone the fourth phase. I read that the Americans officially stated that this is a final, irrevocable decision that the fourth phase of deployment in Eastern Europe will not take place. The Russian country, as far as we know, has stated that it will not change its plans. In the American statements, this is irrevocable on this matter. |
| 13 US Global Missile Defence as the Principal Bilateral Irritant | |
| услышал и не увидел им по-моему этого и делать нельзя администрации потому что конгресс ещё в прошлом своём созыве запретил им идти на какие-либо изменение не посоветовавшись с законодателями но в любом случае даже если сейчас взять в расчёт то что четвёртая фаза как минимум отложена на на длительный период они лет 10 упоминают некоторые аналитики но всё равно новая конфигурация остаётся в рамках глобальной системы противоракетной обороны Соединённых Штатов Америки никого не должно вводить в заблуждение что есть |
Full house translation — pending review heard and did not see, in my opinion, that this cannot be done by the administration because the Congress, in its previous term, prohibited them from making any changes without consulting the legislators, but in any case, even if we now take into account that the fourth phase is at least postponed for a long period, they mention 10 years, some analysts say, but still the new configuration remains within the framework of the global missile defense system of the United States of America, no one should be misled that there is |
| 14 European BMD Under NATO Umbrella Is Still American | |
| теперь европро под зонтиком НАТО это всё та же американская противоракетной обороны НАТО никаких интеллектуальных и прочих вкладов в изменение американского замысла не вносила и вносить не будет точно также на Дальнем Востоке где вместе с японцами и с южнокорейский сегмент своей национальной противоракетной обороны и то тоже самое на Ближнем Востоке То есть это не только европейская часть это земного шара это три крупных региона каждый из которых по совпадению или случайно является достаточно близко к нашим |
Full house translation — pending review now EuroPROM is under the NATO umbrella, this is all the same American NATO anti-ballistic missile defense, it has made no intellectual or other contributions to changing the American plan and will not do so; in the same way, in the Far East, together with the Japanese and the South Korean segment of their national anti-ballistic missile defense, it is the same thing; in the Middle East, that is, this is not only the European part of the Earth, it is three major regions of the globe, each of which, by coincidence or chance, is quite close to us |
| границам поэтому мы никого ни в чём не подозреваем но как говорил один Великий Полководец в военном деле важны не намерения а потенциал Чеховское ружьё вы тоже знаете из той же на той же логике основано Поэтому если наши партнёры не хотят откликаться на предложение которые президент Путин делал ещё с 2007 года о том чтобы совместно сесть и проанализировать откуда исходят Угроза для всех ГОСТ евро Атлантического региона и затем поняв Откуда эти угрозы ракетного распространения могут исходить совместно подумать о |
Full house translation — pending review to the borders, therefore we suspect no one of anything, but as one Great Commander once said, in military affairs it is not intentions that matter but potential. You also know the Chekhov's Gun; it is based on the same logic. Therefore, if our partners do not wish to respond to the proposals that President Putin has been making since 2007 year, about jointly sitting down to analyze where the threats to all NATO, EU, and Atlantic region come from, and then, having understood where these threats of missile proliferation may originate, to jointly think about |
| том как создать систему которая могла бы отвечать на вот эту задачу А задача Как американцы её трактуют это пресечение угроз исходящих Извне евро Атлантики То есть как бы из-за пределов региона НАТО плюс Россия даже Европа Плюс Россия но Америка конечно э Но поскольку наши партнёры сказали что они уже сами всё придумали и как бы наш интеллектуальный вклад не требуется то мы видя в той схеме которая сейчас реализуется угрозы для риски как минимум для своих стратегических ядерных сил Обращаемся с просьбой |
Full house translation — pending review on how to create a system that could respond to this task, and the task as Americans interpret it is the prevention of threats coming from outside the Euro-Atlantic, that is, from beyond the region, NATO plus Russia, even Europe plus Russia, but America of course, yes. However, since our partners said that they have already thought of everything themselves and that our intellectual contribution is not required, we, seeing in the scheme that is currently being implemented threats and risks, at least for our own strategic nuclear forces, are making a request |
| 15 Demand for Legal Guarantees That BMD Is Not Directed Against Russia | |
| настоятельной положить на бумагу то что нам говорят устно а именно что эта система не направлена против нас причём нам нужны будут юридические гарантии Объясню почему политических заверений давалось немало и начиная с того момента когда исчез Варшавский договор когда Советский Союз ещё выводил свои войска из Европы нам было обещано клятвенно на высшем уровне что НАТО не будет распространяться на восток потом на каком-то этапе когда она всё-таки стала распространяться на восток вопреки этим торжественным |
Full house translation — pending review earnestly to put on paper what they tell us orally, namely that this system is not aimed at us, and we will need legal guarantees. I will explain why: political assurances have been given many times, and starting from the moment when the Warsaw Pact disappeared and the Soviet Union was still withdrawing its troops from Europe, we were promised on oath at the highest level that NATO would not expand eastward. Then, at some stage, when it actually did expand eastward, in defiance of these solemn |
| 16 Broken Promises — NATO Non-Expansion and Combat Forces on New Members | |
| заверением на высшем уровне нас опять-таки завея что на территории новых членов не будет размещаться на постоянной основе существенные боевые силы это даже было записано когда создавал совет России НАТО Но как Только мы пытаемся сформулировать что же конкретно подразумевается под термином существенные боевые силы нам говорят Ну это потом А тем временем до бригады до 2 с поя военнослужащих вместе с вооружениями разворачиваются на территории новых членов создаются базы и так далее евро Я имею в виду Поэтому нам |
Full house translation — pending review assurances at the highest level, we were again assured that on the territory of new members there would not be stationed on a permanent basis significant combat forces; this was even recorded when the Russia-NATO Council was created. But as soon as we try to formulate what exactly is meant by the term 'significant combat forces', they say, 'Well, that will be later.' Meanwhile, brigades with up to 2 soldiers, together with equipment, are being deployed on the territory of new members, bases are being created, and so on. Europe, I mean. Therefore, we |
| 17 European Security Treaty Proposal Since 2008 | |
| нужны будут уже не политические заверения а гарантии это тем более актуально что наверное может быть слышали Вы или ваши телезрители мы Достаточно давно уже в 2008 году выдвинули инициативу подписать договор о европейской безопасности смысл которого заключался бы в том чтобы сделать юридически обязательным принцип неделимости безопасности докумен об в документах совета России НАТО где записано что никто из членов этого совета не будет обеспечивать свою безопасность за счёт ущемления безопасности других и реакция |
Full house translation — pending review will need not political assurances but guarantees. This is even more relevant, as perhaps you or your television viewers have heard: we have been proposing for quite some time, since 2008, to sign a treaty on European security, the essence of which would be to make the principle of indivisible security legally binding. Documents in the documents of the Russia-NATO Council state that no member of this Council will ensure its own security at the expense of compromising the security of others, and the reaction |
| на эти наши предложения была достаточно своеобразно Ну зачем вам юридические гарантии Когда у вас есть политические Гарантии и назовите нам говорили партнёры из Европы вот пожалуста противоракетная оборона тот самый случай потому что мы тко видим что попытка укрепить безопасность Европы и США за счёт создания системы противоракетной обороны создаёт риски для безопасности России тем самым нарушается обязательства политическое взятые в рамках совета России НАТО но нам нужны не просто юридические гарантии Нам нужен |
Full house translation — pending review to these proposals of ours there was a sufficiently peculiar response, well why do you need legal guarantees when you have political guarantees, and name it, our partners from Europe said, please, anti-missile defense, that is exactly the case, because we only see that the attempt to strengthen the security of Europe and the USA by creating an anti-missile defense system creates risks for the security of Russia, thereby violating the political commitments taken within the framework of the Russia-NATO Council, but we need not just legal guarantees, we need |
| согласованный перечень критериев которые позволяли про что эти ранти выполняются и что развитие противоракетной обороны США в глобальном масштабе идт таким образом чтобы соответствовать изначально заявленной цели а именно пресекать ракетные угрозы Извне евро Атлантического региона Доверие недоверие взаимное обеих сторон насколько понимаю чего требуют европей Почему опери почему гото множество раз слышала о гарантиях не направленности про это Старая история и каждый раз это откладывается Вот почему всё-таки не |
Full house translation — pending review coordinated list of criteria that allowed for what these plans are fulfilled and that the development of US missile defense on a global scale is proceeding in such a way as to correspond to the originally stated goal, namely, to intercept rocket threats from outside the Euro-Atlantic region. Trust, distrust, mutual between both sides, as far as I understand, what do Europeans require. Why operate why ready. I have heard many times about guarantees of non-targeting. This is old history and every time it is postponed. That is why after all not |
| складывается на ляд может быть это риторический вопрос но не знаю Ну а почему вот нам обещали не расширять натора стали расширять обещали не размещаются вооружённые сил Грузию не приняли ма ну знаете тут тоже рассматривается решение о том чтобы отложить отложить заявку Грузии рассматривать его как какой-то жест в сторону России я бы не стал Угу Грузия это объективными документами той же НАТО и европейских организаций обсе совета Европы Грузия не готова соответствовать тем стандартам которые натовцы сами для своих |
Full house translation — pending review ...it seems [opening damaged]. Perhaps this is a rhetorical question, but I do not know. Why were we promised NATO would not expand, only for it to expand? We were promised armed forces would not be deployed [wording damaged]. Georgia was not admitted [fragment incomplete]. You know, I would not regard the decision to postpone consideration of Georgia's application as some gesture toward Russia. 'Mm-hm.' According to objective documents from NATO itself and European organizations—the OSCE and the Council of Europe—Georgia is not ready to meet the standards NATO members themselves set for their... [source cuts off] |
| членов установили Это они сами признают и прежде всего это ситуация в сфере верховенства закона и многое другое что составляет вот существо демократии в том понимании в котором е трактуют натовцы Ну собственно говоря это понимание достаточно универсально и здесь я бы руководствовался просто фактами вот обещали не сделали записали на бумаге не сделали теперь в следующий раз уже Мы будем и такой следующий раз наступает наступило же мы будем настаивать на юридически обязывающих гарантии в продолжение темы Американо |
Full house translation — pending review members established. This they themselves admit, and above all this is the situation in the rule of law and much more that constitutes the very essence of democracy in the understanding in which NATO interprets it. Well, essentially this understanding is quite universal, and here I would simply rely on the facts. They promised, they did not do it, they wrote it down on paper, they did not do it. Now next time we will insist on legally binding guarantees. Continuing the topic, American |
| 19 William Browder's Role Behind the Magnitsky Act | |
| российских отношений проб нельзя кос за вот есть у нас такие данные что лично вы изначально были против закона Димы Яковлевой И не только вы в правительстве Российской Федерации вот насколько на ваш взгляд сейчас стечение какого-то оного количества времени ответ российский симметричен и адекватен Американ Рени во АК задуманная Ну я не знаю достаточно изощрен людьми в политике насколько можно судить И конечно же предпринято не без воздействия господина брауде который сколотил себе незаконным путём большое |
Full house translation — pending review Russian relations cannot be touched because we have such data that personally you were initially against the Dima Yakovlev law, and not only you in the Government of the Russian Federation. How much, in your opinion, is the current convergence of a certain amount of time making the Russian response symmetrical and adequate to the American one? I don't know how sophisticated people are in politics, as far as can be judged. And of course, measures have been taken without the influence of Mr. Braid, who amassed a large |
| состояние в Российской Федерации так случилось что несчастный Сергей магницкий работа против браудер оно распространялось и на его юриста Сергея Магнитского трагедия которая с ним произошла она ужасна в принципе когда умирают люди в тюрьмах это это это очень плохо Тем более что человек не смог получить возможность доказать свою правоту или наоборот Но это всегда плохо это не только когда умирают нас в тюрьме это это пре наша проблема мы сейчас по поручению президента Путина уполномоченный по правам человека |
Full house translation — pending review fortune in the Russian Federation. It happened that the unfortunate Sergei Magnitsky, working against Braid, it also extended to his lawyer Sergei Magnitsky. The tragedy that happened to him is terrible in principle. When people die in prisons, this is very bad. Especially since the person could not get the opportunity to prove their right or the opposite, but this is always bad. This is not only when people die in prison, this is our problem. We are now authorized by the order of President Putin as the human rights commissioner |
| Владимир Лукин занимается подготовкой предложения об улучшении пенитенциарной системы особенно улучшение условий содержания в следственных изоляторах но не меньшей трагедией является например и самоубийство скорее всего Далматова в голландской тюрьме Мы кстати ожидаем от властей Нидерландов Во время визита президента Путина мы напомнили об этом нашим нидерландским партнёрам ожидаем скорейшего предоставления результатов расследования этой ситуации Мы очень хотим установить истину так же как мы хотим установить |
Full house translation — pending review Vladimir Lukin is preparing a proposal to improve the penitentiary system, especially improving the conditions of detention in investigative isolation centers, but no less a tragedy is, for example, the suicide, most likely of Dalmatov in a Dutch prison. We, by the way, expect from the authorities of the Netherlands during the visit of President Putin that we remind our Dutch partners about this and expect the speedy provision of the results of the investigation of this situation. We very much want to establish the truth, just as we want to establish |
| 43 Litvinenko Case — British Stonewalling on Establishing Truth | |
| истину в отношении смерти других наших граждан тот же Литвиненко и нас э действительно так немножечко настораживает что руководство Великобритании по линии соответствующих ведомств включая Министерство иностранных дел обратилось к суду с просьбой засекретить значительную часть информации которая к расследованию этого дела относится но возвращаясь к акту Магнитского понимаете Когда американцы поняли что им нужно отменять поправку Джексона Веника потому что иначе они останутся в стороне от тех преимуществ которые |
Full house translation — pending review the truth regarding the death of other our citizens, such as Litvinenko, and it does indeed slightly concern us that the leadership of the United Kingdom, through the relevant departments, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has appealed to the court with a request to keep a significant part of the information related to the investigation of this case secret. But returning to the Magnitsky Act, you understand, when the Americans realized that they needed to cancel the Jackson-Vanik amendment because otherwise they would remain on the sidelines from the benefits that |
| 18 Magnitsky Act — Replacing Jackson-Vanik with an Anti-Russian Law | |
| страны-члены ВТО получат от российского присоединение всемирной торговой организации у них сработало Вот это вс-таки понимаете желание заменить антисоветский закон на антироссийский Не говоря уже о том что поправка Джексона Веника была таким анахронизм её же принимали с тем чтобы наказать Советский Союз за препятствование иммиграции евреев из СССР и когда она продолжала возобновляться каждый раз под новыми предлогами одним из предлогов было значит требование заставить нас Покупать больше этих самых окорочков |
Full house translation — pending review member countries of the WTO will receive from Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization it worked for them You really understand the desire to replace the anti-Soviet law with an anti-Russian one Not to mention that the Jackson-Vanik amendment was such an anachronism it was adopted to punish the Soviet Union for hindering the emigration of Jews from the USSR and when it continued to be renewed each time under new pretexts one of the pretexts was meaning the requirement to force us to buy more of these very same cutlets |
| куриных например это Это смешно И кстати Натан Шаранский который был известным диссидентов в Советском Союзе сидел в лагерях потом был он членом правительства Израиля не раз с тех пор приезжал в Российскую Федерацию мы к нему очень хорошо относимся хорошо его знаем Не зря он когда в очередной раз пытались под каким-то куриным предлогом продлевать поправку Джексона Веника сказал что помоему 7 лет в лагерях сидел не ради ножик Буши это это смешно но это на самом деле так такие значит вот подходы у американских |
Full house translation — pending review chicken, for example, this is funny. And by the way, Nathan Sharansky, who was a well-known dissident in the Soviet Union, sat in camps, then he became a member of the Israeli government multiple times and has visited the Russian Federation since then. We treat him very well and know him well. Not in vain, when they tried again under some chicken pretext to extend the Jackson-Vanik amendment, he said that, I think, 7 years he sat in camps not for Bush's knife. This is funny, but this is actually true. Such approaches by the Americans. |
| законодателей и все попытки вразумить их и сказать что это просто уже абсурдно ни к чему не приводили Да честно сказать и администрации США Что администрация Джорджа Буша что администрация Обамы на первом этапе не работала с конгрессом чтобы показать просто ну знаете ну я бы сказал непорядочно такой позиции когда Джексон веник продолжал сохраняться но когда мы уже закрыли основные вопросы по вступлению во всемирную торговую организацию здесь я должен признать ту роль которую позитивную роль которую сыграла |
Full house translation — pending review legislators and all attempts to reason with them and say that this is already absurd led to nothing. Honestly, to say it, both the administration of the United States, that is, the administration of George Bush and the administration of Obama, did not work with Congress at the first stage to show, well, you know, I would say such a position was improper, as long as Jackson's broom continued to persist, but when we had already closed the main issues regarding accession to the World Trade Organization, here I must admit the role, the positive role, which was played. ] |
| администрация США лично президент Обама в продвижении к компромиссам на пути нашего вступления к этого после того как это уже стало ясно члены конгресса решили чем-то компенсировать Вот эту вот Анти советскую А теперь антироссийскую дубинку и придумали этот закон Сергея Магнитского активней образом браудер ровал этот закон мы знаем На капиталим холме также как потом он в Европе носился по всем странам и предлагал такие же антимагнитные законы принять уже в европейских парламентах но тем не менее появился [музыка] |
Full house translation — pending review the administration of the United States personally President Obama in moving towards compromises on the way to our entry to this after it became clear that members of Congress decided to compensate for this very anti-Soviet and now anti-Russian cudgel and came up with this Sergei Magnitsky law actively brauderated this law we know on the capital hill as well as later he ran through all countries in Europe and proposed that such anti-Magnitsky laws be adopted in European parliaments but nevertheless appeared [music] |
| 20 Obama Pressured by Congress — Harder Magnitsky Version Than Cardin Proposed | |
| зай хотел подписывать Барак Обаму Да мы знаем что это не был выбор администрации когда Барак Обама с Владимиром Путиным встречался в июне прошлого года в Лоска босе на саммите двадцатки то Обама сказал что я не смогу этого не сделать меня Надо мной будут Давлят обстоятельства прежде всего необходимость снять поправку Джексона Веника Я этому Ну заменить антисоветской на антироссийскую Ну в общем-то это как говорится мы мы воспринимаем именно так и то что конгресс вот буквально продавил причём более жёсткий вариант |
Full house translation — pending review The hare wanted to sign Barack Obama. Yes, we know that this was not the choice of the administration when Barack Obama met with Vladimir Putin in June last year in Loska Bose at the G- twenty summit, then Obama said that I could not not do this, I am under pressure, circumstances, first of all the need to remove the Jackson-Vanik amendment. I will this, well, replace the anti-Soviet with anti-Russian. Well, in general, as they say, we perceive it exactly so, and that the Congress literally pushed through, moreover, a stricter version. ] |
| чем тот который сенатор кардин изначально предлагал в этом я вижу в известной степени не только всё-таки проявление русофобии которая традиционно там на холме присутствует но и желание насолить президента который последовательно стремился делать российско напра внешней политики одним из приоритетных и на котором на этом направлении достигнут немало результатов вот в том числе и накануне выборов в ноябре двенадцатого года наверное республиканцами ведомый конгресс Хотел показать что и на этом направлении у Обамы |
Full house translation — pending review than the one that Senator Cardin initially proposed in this I see to a certain extent not only the manifestation of Russophobia which is traditionally present there on the hill but also a desire to harm the president who consistently sought to make Russian foreign policy one of the priorities and on which many results were achieved in this direction including right before the elections in November of the twelfth year probably the Republicans led by Congress wanted to show that on this direction too Obama |
| 21 Dima Yakovlev Law — Society-Shaped Symmetric Response | |
| ничего не получается получается так что здесь налёт внутри американской политической жизни конечно тоже присутствует в лосе же когда Обама об этом Путину сказал наш президент сказал ему что ну вы понимаете что мы не сможем это оставить без ответа у нас ответ обязательно будет принят будет сделан что касается содержания закона Димы Яковлева была очень Ост дискуссия в обществе Когда рассматривался кода дополнял когда вносились в него уточнения и поправки и дискуссия опиралась в общем-то на две логики по большому |
Full house translation — pending review nothing is working out, it turns out that here there is a layer within American political life, of course, it is also present in the loss itself when Obama told Putin about this, our president told him that well, you understand that we will not be able to leave this without a response, our response will definitely be taken, will be made, as for the content of the Dima Yakovlev law, there was a very heated discussion in society when the code was supplemented, when amendments and clarifications were introduced into it, and the discussion was based, in general, on two logics, for the most part |
| счёту одна логика заключалась в том что нельзя закрывать возможности любые возможности нельзя закрывать для детей если существует шанс на то чтобы они улучшили своё положение вторая логика заключалась в том что нельзя отдавать детей на усыновление в страну в которой наши дети гибнут и здесь уже вот эта вторая школа мысли развивалась по нескольким значит ответвления признавалось что где-то 60.000 за всё время усыновления в Соединённых Штатах оказалось наших детей а те которые пострадали были убиты изнасилованы |
Full house translation — pending review on the one hand, the logic was that one cannot close off any opportunities; one cannot close off opportunities for children if there is a chance that they can improve their situation. The second logic was that one cannot give children up for adoption to a country where our children are dying, and here the second school of thought developed along several branches. It was acknowledged that somewhere 60.000 over the course of adoptions in the United States, our children turned up, and those who suffered were killed and raped. |
| 22 Documented Harm to Russian Children Adopted in the United States | |
| изучены или просто как посылка отправлены обратно домой их число не более там нескольких десятков но о д одном случае достоверно известно о том сколько таких детей ещё Мы не знаем потому что у нас нет возможности отследить особенно в девяностые годы вот усыновлен ские вот эти все маршруты Тем более что когда ребёнка России усыновляют да любой другой страны ему как правило дают американское имя и во всех документах он проходит под фамилие которые ему дали американские приёмные родители Но то что таких случаев |
Full house translation — pending review studied or simply sent back home, their number is no more than a few dozen, but about one case it is reliably known how many such children there are yet, we do not know because we do not have the ability to track, especially in the nineties, these adoption routes. Moreover, when a child from Russia is adopted by any other country, he is usually given an American name and in all documents he goes under the surname given to him by American adoptive parents, but that such cases |
| несчастных может быть гораздо больше чем 20 об этом говорит общий анализ ситуации дел с установлением в Соединённых Штатах не только российских но любых других детей включая собственно американских после того как эти истории стали скандально появляться в прессе естественно возбуждать обществен посольство наше в Вашингтоне обращались и граждане и неправительственные организации американские рассказываю о том что есть вот где-то у них в штате в деревеньке в городе семья которая издевается над своим ребёнком это все |
Full house translation — pending review There may be far more than 20 unfortunate victims. This is indicated by the overall analysis of the situation regarding adoption [source word corrupted] in the United States, not only of Russian children but of any children, including American children. After these stories began appearing in the press as scandals and naturally arousing public concern, American citizens and nongovernmental organizations contacted our embassy in Washington. They described families somewhere in their state, village or town abusing their child. All this... [source cuts off] |
| видят вот не русский или это ребёнок поэтому обращаются в наше посольство мы активней образом каждый такой факт исследуем но возвращаясь к вопросу о соразмерности или не соразмерности во-первых когда тием за это призна здорового общест и когда закон ВТО принят он должен выполняться вот мы из этого исходим а содержание закона само по себе и вот сам факт запрета на американс усыновление в Соединенных Штатах Знаете ну вот даже Если сравнивать цифры ложка дёрти испорти вот так произошло с этим законом в нашем |
Full house translation — pending review see here not Russian or is it a child therefore they appeal to our embassy we more actively examine each such fact but returning to the question of proportionality or non-proportionality first when the law is recognized as protecting a healthy society and when the WTO law is adopted it must be implemented that is what we base ourselves on and the content of the law itself and the fact of the ban on American adoption in the United States you know well even if comparing figures a spoon of dirt spoils the whole that happened with this law in our |
| обществе и в итоге этот закон вот обрёл тот вид который о на прил А понятно что вы возглавляется внешнеполитическое ведомство но тем не менее Понятно также что Вам приходится отвечать на очень серьёзных площадках мировых за то что происходит внутри России а мы слышим огромное количество критических заявлений в том числе звучащих из Вашингтона относительно обысков штрафов в некоммерческих организациях относительно того что в России как заявляют критики ограничиваются права человека нарушаются права человека |
Full house translation — pending review in society and as a result this law acquired the form which is in Appendix A, it is clear that the foreign policy ministry leads it, but nevertheless it is also clear that you have to answer on very serious global platforms for what happens inside Russia, and we hear a huge number of critical statements, including those sounding from Washington, regarding searches, fines in non-profit organizations, regarding the fact that, as critics claim, human rights are restricted in Russia, human rights are violated in Russia |
| ограничивается Свобода слова множество приводится примеров в том числе один из последних - Это история с блогером Алексеем Навальным против которой возбуждено уголовное дело начинается судеб начинается судебный процесс вот как вы критику ваших коллег и насколько вы считаете е правомерной пожа знаете если это продиктовано искренним интересом всё-таки разобраться в ситуации и помочь становлению демократического общества в России вс-таки мы 20 лет только этим занимаемся не надо об этом забывать и с Новгородского ве |
Full house translation — pending review freedom of speech is limited, many examples are given, including one of the latest - this is the story with blogger Alexei Navalny, against which a criminal case has been initiated, a court process begins, so how do you criticize your colleagues and how much do you consider it justified? Please, you know, if this is dictated by sincere interest to finally clarify the situation and help the development of a democratic society in Russia, after all we have been doing just this for 20 years, we should not forget about it, and from the Novgorod news |
| и такого короткого периода временного правительства у нас никакой демократии собственно не практиковалось и поэтому путь который мы сейчас проходим вот то что прошли уже за 20 лет Ну о одна сотня лет требовалось дойти до этой стадии тем кто сейчас нас пытается упрекать в том что мы не любим демократию и значит не уважаем верховен за если есть интерес помогать вот в этом движении то устами президента мы не раз заявляли о том что мы к такому диалогу готовы будь то Евросоюз будь то Соединённые Штаты Америки у нас |
Full house translation — pending review and during such a short period of the temporary government, no democracy was actually practiced among us, and therefore the path we are currently going through, what we have already passed in 20 years, well, one hundred years was required to reach this stage for those who now try to reproach us for not loving democracy and therefore not respecting the rule of law. If there is an interest in helping in this movement, then in the words of the president, we have repeatedly stated that we are ready for such a dialogue, whether it is the European Union or the United States of America, we have |
| кстати и с США и с евросоюзом есть механизмы для такого диалога И это всё вполне и вполне отвечает нашему видению того как развивать сотрудничество в том числе и в сфере прав человека если же это ради того чтобы набрать внутриполитические очки показать какие вот мы принципиальные в отношении с Россией поэтому вы избиратели наших демократических государств голосуйте за нашу партию а не за ту партию которая сейчас у власти которая с Россией пытается чи заигрывать там изза газа или из-за каких-то других |
Full house translation — pending review by the way, there are mechanisms for such a dialogue with the US and the EU, and all of this fully and fully corresponds to our vision of how to develop cooperation, including in the field of human rights. If this is just to gain domestic political points, to show how principled we are in relations with Russia, then you, voters of our democratic states, vote for our party and not for the party that is currently in power, which is trying to play nice with Russia there, due to gas or due to some other |
| 24 Counter-Criticism — Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and CIA Black Sites | |
| экономических интересов Ну с такими людьми наверное бессмысленно и бесполезно разговаривать хотя в зависимости от того где они находятся в оппозиции или у власти их взгляды могут меняться таких примеров немало и в том числе и в той же и Но к диалогу Мы готовы Тем более что и нам есть что сказать и поинтересоваться как у наших партнёров решаются проблемы с правами человека Ну вот например Соединённые Штаты мы добиваемся прояснение значит судьбы одного российского гражданина который остаётся в Гуантанамо без суда и |
Full house translation — pending review economic interests. Well, with such people, it is probably pointless and useless to talk, although depending on where they are, in opposition or in power, their views can change, there are many such examples, and also in the same one, but we are ready for dialogue. Moreover, we have something to say and to ask how our partners solve problems with human rights. Well, for example, the United States, we are striving to clarify the fate of one Russian citizen who remains in Guantanamo without trial and |
| следствия уже наверное лет 10 вот только сейчас каким-то образом нам пытаются организовать его посещение Но вообще сам факт тюрб в гуантанама - это позор я считаю и то что они закрывают объясняется открыто не стесняясь только одним одним мотивом что если мы их переведём в США у нас не будет никаких юридических оснований их держать в тюрми Поэтому вот без суда и следствия держим Что хотим то и делаем пытаем не пытаем там я не знаю там никто не проверяет никто эту тюрьму не контролирует Абу грейб тюрьма которая |
Full house translation — pending review ...investigation, probably for 10 years now. Only now are they somehow trying to arrange for us to visit him. But I consider the very existence of the prison at Guantanamo [words damaged] a disgrace. The reason for [not; source negation appears missing] closing it is explained openly, without embarrassment, by just one consideration: 'If we transfer them to the United States, we will have no legal grounds to keep them in prison.' So they are held without trial or investigation: 'We do whatever we want, torture them or do not torture them.' I do not know; nobody checks and nobody monitors the prison. Abu Ghraib, the prison which... [source cuts off] |
| была в Ираке тоже вообще печально известна теми бесчинства которые там творились летающие тюрьмы ЦРУ этот вопрос ещё расследуется европейским парламентом Кто и с какой целью нарушал все мыслимые национальные законы законодательство Евросоюза международные конвенции когда принимал эти Руш тюрьмы и соответственно летающий до заправлял их помогал вести допросы ну и потом к судебной системе США масса претензий те же самые приговоры в отношении убийц и насильников российских детей многих отпускают в зале суда дают |
Full house translation — pending review was in Iraq too generally notorious for the outrages that were committed there, the flying prisons of the CIA, this question is still being investigated by the European Parliament, who and with what purpose violated all conceivable national laws, the legislation of the European Union, international conventions, when these Ruš prisons were adopted and accordingly the flying dock refueled them, helped conduct interrogations, and then to the US judicial system, many complaints, the same sentences in relation to the killers and rapists of Russian children, many are released in the courtroom, give |
| 25 Thailand and Colombia — Rule-of-Law Counter-Examples | |
| условные сроки это за реальный факты когда нанесён непоправимый ущерб детям и в то же время когда наших граждан просто выды как выкрали из незаконно вывоз страны вывезли бу из Таиланда в нарушении тайских таиландских законов и сейчас там идт возбуждено дело по поводу того почему были нарушены законы Таиланда при выдаче бу но их-то и того и другого их провоцировали американские аген для для Т кокаиновой мафии в Колумбии ид вот этих вот повстанцев в Колумбии Поэтому с американской системой правосудия тоже можно о |
Full house translation — pending review conditional terms are for real facts when irreparable harm has been inflicted on children and at the same time when our citizens are simply extradited as if they were stolen, illegally exported from the country, deported from Thailand in violation of Thai laws, and now a case has been initiated regarding why Thai laws were violated in the extradition of BU, but both of them were provoked by American agents for the cocaine mafia in Colombia and these rebels in Colombia, therefore the American justice system can also be |
| ней можно много говорить но уже не буду упоминать ная вобще кодали за рас была государственным секретарём она что-то мне стала говорить по поводу несовершенства нашей системы выборов я ответил что мы ищем оптимальный путь но вот у вас-то в 2000 году из-за вот этой двухъярусной системы с выборщиков округов Эл гор который получил Абсолютное большинство и все это знают э если если бы были прямые выборы а в итоге проиграл джорди Бушу который в абсолютном выражении получил меньше голосов Там ещё была Тёмная история |
Full house translation — pending review one can talk a lot about Ney but I will no longer mention Naya at all. When she was Secretary of State, she told me something about the imperfections of our election system. I replied that we are seeking an optimal path, but in 2000 year, with this two-tier system of electors, Al Gore, who received an absolute majority, lost, and everyone knows this. If there had been direct elections, he would have won, but in the end, he lost to George W. Bush, who received fewer votes in absolute terms. There was also a dark history there. ] |
| когда Верховный суд Прекратил процедуру пересчёта голосов во Флориде знаете что она мне сказала она говорит Да это у нас проблема мы о ней знаем Но это наша проблема мы о ней Знаем мы с ней живём и Если нужно будет что-то менять мы сами разберёмся вот и всё понимаете мы не раз говорили наве Американ Нет это не мой ответ Это просто примеры который я привожу понимаете Ну вот Навальный да ведь Независимо понимаете Вы сказали известный блогер оппозиционер Навальный Ну если мы будем говорить что блогеры должны быть |
Full house translation — pending review when the Supreme Court stopped the vote recount procedure in Florida do you know what she told me she says Yes this is our problem we know about it But this is our problem we know about it we live with it and if something needs to be changed we will figure it out ourselves that's all understand we have not said many times about Nave American No this is not my answer these are just examples that I am giving understand well Navalny yes indeed regardless understand you said well-known blogger opposition figure Navalny if we will say that bloggers should be |
| 26 Alexei Navalny — Equal Before the Law Regardless of Status | |
| более равные чем не блогеры как орла это тогда значит будет у нас вот скотный двор а не а не демократии все должны быть равны Перед законом если есть обвинения в экономических нарушениях то их нужно расследовать б человек или не блогер человек я Я ничего не имею против Навального и если люди хотят бороться с коррупцией Да ради Бога У нас вот не только Навальный является фигурантом подозреваемым кировлес или где это Как называлась э компания у нас вы знаете представители бывшего руководство Министерства обороны с |
Full house translation — pending review more equal than not bloggers as an eagle this then it will mean for us here a livestock yard and not not democracy all must be equal before the law if there are accusations of economic violations then they need to be investigated six people or not a blogger person I I have nothing against Navalny and if people want to fight corruption yes for God sake we here not only Navalny is a figure suspect defendant kirovles or where this is how it was called the company we you know representatives of the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense with |
| рядом под следствием находится поэтому здесь чиновников наверное не нужно рассматривать в отрыве от фактов если есть обвинения которые доказуемо в суде вот из этого нужно исходить последний вот очень короткий вопрос по навальному просто зачитаю от зрителя Сергея Леднева который в довольно таких выражениях неконструктивные вопрос что вы расскажете лидерам других государств когда Алексея Навального сядет Алексей Навальный сядет в тюрьму по сфабрикованному делу спрашивает он а я дополню была ли речь об этом с |
Full house translation — pending review ...nearby is under investigation, so officials should probably not be considered separately from the facts. If charges can be proved in court, that is what we should proceed from. One last, very short question about Navalny. I will simply read a viewer's question, from Sergei Lednev, expressed in rather unconstructive terms: 'What will you tell other states' leaders when Alexei Navalny is imprisoned on a fabricated charge?' he asks. I would add: was this discussed with... [source cuts off] |
| кем-нибудь из ваших коллег вы обсуждали вот конкретно никогда на встречах которые у меня были с моими коллегами не на встречах президента с его партнёрами на которых я присутствовал эта фамилия не всплывала Но ваш корреспондент он уже сам для себя Всё решил когда его посадят по сфабрикованному делу я не могу Я не могу брать на себя функции судьи как бы не относиться к судопроизводству я вам приводил примеры совершенство американского американской судебной системы есть известные критика В адрес российской судебной |
Full house translation — pending review by someone among your colleagues you discussed this specifically never at the meetings that I had with my colleagues not at the meetings of the president with his partners at which I was present this surname did not come up But your correspondent he has already decided everything for himself when he is sentenced for a fabricated case I cannot I cannot take on the functions of a judge however one may relate to the judicial process I have given you examples of the perfection of the American American judicial system there are well-known criticisms of the Russian judicial system |
| системы как бы к этому не относиться если мы будем руководствоваться эмоциями А вот это не правосуд приговор мы разрушим вообще всё и между прочим Когда нам наши партнёры говорят про верховенство права мы говорим безусловно но Давайте также твёрдо выскажи в пользу верховенства права не только внутри государств Но и на международно энтузиазма гораздо меньше Но нас насчёт вот прав человека в принципе нет совершенных людей как говорил герой в одном известном фильме и вот 8 июля когда 8 апреля когда президент |
Full house translation — pending review systems as if we were not to be guided by emotions, but this is not justice, a verdict we will destroy everything, and by the way, when our partners tell us about the rule of law, we say of course, but let us also firmly express in favor of the rule of law not only within states but also internationally, enthusiasm is much less, but as for human rights in principle, there are no perfect people, as a hero in one famous film said, and on 8 July, when 8 April, when the president |
| Российской Федерации был с визитом в Нидерландах затрагивались тем прав человека в России и на пресс-конференции спросили об этом Владимира Владимировича Э он сказал что мы хотим чтобы у нас было больше прав человека чтобы было больше законности мы этим занимаемся меньше коррупции и он соответственно привёл несколько примеров того как порой эти эти вещи освещаются предвзято Когда в чужом глазу соринка да А в своём бревну бревно вот в Нидерландах сейчас одна из дискуссий в обществе заключается посвящена тому что |
Full house translation — pending review of the Russian Federation was on a visit to the Netherlands issues were raised regarding human rights in Russia and at a press conference questions were asked about this Vladimir Vladimirovich he said that we want there to be more human rights for us there to be more rule of law we are working on this less corruption and he accordingly gave several examples of how sometimes these these things are covered with bias When there is a speck in a foreign eye but a beam in one's own eye now in the Netherlands one of the discussions in society is devoted to the fact that |
| 27 Netherlands — Pedophile Party and Ban on Women in Public Office | |
| какое-то время назад суд голландский запретил партию Мартен она называется и это ребята педофилы их главная цель доказывать правовую и социальную приемлемость педофилии так вот сейчас подана апелляция на то чтобы отменили запрет на эту партию это всерьёз обсуждается там так общего неприятия вот этого второй пример гораздо более уже в правовом плане фактологической плане закреплённой есть партия она называется государственная реформистская партии главная цель которой или одна из главных целей ввести официальный |
Full house translation — pending review some time ago a Dutch court banned the party Marten it is called and these guys are pedophiles their main goal is to prove the legal and social acceptability of pedophilia so now an appeal has been filed to overturn the ban on this party this is seriously being discussed there so general disapproval of this second example is much more already in the legal plan factual plan established there is a party it is called the State Reformist Party whose main goal or one of the main goals is to introduce official |
| запрет на занятие женщинами государственных должностей и запрет на избрание женщин в парламент это партия не какая-то там искусственно созданная она является членом вернее член этой партии сидят в голландском парламенте и Ну как минимум прошлое правительство премьер-министр рютте по целому ряду вопросов в том числе опиралась на поддержку этой партии такого себе в России представить невозможно Я к тому что понимаете мы если голландское общество хочет жить вот в таком контексте и такие принципы считаются приемлемым |
Full house translation — pending review the ban on women holding public office and the ban on women being elected to parliament this party is not some artificially created party it is a member rather a member of this party sit in the Dutch parliament and well at least the past government prime minister Rutte relied on the support of this party on a number of issues including such a thing in Russia is unimaginable I mean that you understand we if Dutch society wants to live in such a context and such principles are considered acceptable |
| 23 Human Rights Dialogue Welcome If Sincerely Intended | |
| и в отношении педофилов в отношении запрета на профессию женщинам по большому счёту э то это их право если общество этого хочет но у нас тоже есть какие-то свои традиции понимаете и Давайте обсуждать вопросы и Давайте тогда быть готовыми и на встречные вопросы отвечать вы считаете России есть демократия Я считаю есть демократия почитайте наши газеты Посмотрите наши телеви Чита коне Да особенно газета конечно но не говоря уже про интернет конечно хорошо вопрос по Сирии у нас множество вопросов пришло по Сирии |
Full house translation — pending review and regarding pedophiles regarding the ban on the profession for women, in the main, this is their right if society wants it, but we also have our own traditions, you understand, and let us discuss the issues and let us then be ready to answer counter-questions. Do you think Russia has democracy? I think there is democracy. Read our newspapers, watch our television. Read, conclude. Especially the newspaper, of course, but not to mention the internet, of course. Well, the question about Syria, we have received many questions about Syria. |
| 28 Russia Has Democracy — Read the Newspapers and Watch Television | |
| особенно активно обсуждается в на нашей странице Facebook ситуация в Сирии сейчас конца не видно этой войне и действительно многих Очень интересует что делает Россия для того чтобы как бы завершить это убийство массовое я сразу зачитаю один из вопросов дур хеста спрашивает когда мы увидим реальные дипломатические политические и военные шаги со стороны России по предотвращению Сирии самого худшего варианта разрешения Гражданской войны смотрите Да увидите хронология примерно такая была во-первых самая первая |
Full house translation — pending review Especially actively discussed on our Facebook page is the situation in Syria. Now the end of this war is not in sight, and indeed many are very interested in what Russia is doing to, so to speak, conclude this mass killing. I will immediately read one of the questions: Durkhasta asks when we will see real diplomatic, political, and military steps on the part of Russia to prevent the worst variant of resolving the civil war in Syria. Look, you will see. The chronology was approximately as follows: first, the very first |
| 29 Syria — Russia's August 2011 UNSC Presidential Statement | |
| реакция совета безопасности на происходящее в Сирии была состоялась в августе 2011 года по российской инициативе это было заявление председателя принято единогласно в котором содержалось требование к обеим странам прекратить стрелять друг друга садиться и договариваться будущем своей страны и именно этот подход является по нашему убеждению единственной верным последовавшие затем попытки наших западных коллег протащить односторонние решение с этой безопасности Где во всех грехах обвинялись только правительство они |
Full house translation — pending review reaction of the Security Council to what is happening in Syria took place in August 2011 year, by Russian initiative. This was a statement by the Chairman, adopted unanimously, which contained a requirement for both countries to stop shooting at each other, sit down and negotiate for the future of their country, and this approach is, in our opinion, the only correct one. The subsequent attempts of our Western colleagues to push through unilateral decisions at this Security Council, where only the government was blamed for all sins, they |
| были затирок мы абсолютно не снимаем ответственность с правительства Сирии с режима сирийского потому что любое правительство несёт главную ответственность за безопасность своих граждан в том числе и в такого рода ситуациях но делать вид что правительство просто выводило войска и стреляло по мирным демонстрантам как 9 января пятого года в Российской империи это тоже абсолютно некорректно и нечестно против войск режима воевали уже тогда вооружённые оппозиционеры А сейчас они вооружены ещё более но тем не менее |
Full house translation — pending review were a mistake. We absolutely do not exonerate the government of Syria, the Syrian regime, because any government bears the main responsibility for the safety of its citizens, including in such situations. But to pretend that the government simply withdrew troops and shot at peaceful demonstrators, as on 9 January fifth year in the Russian Empire, is also absolutely incorrect and unfair. Armed opposition fighters were already fighting against the regime's troops then, and now they are even more armed, but nevertheless. |
| 30 Arab League Observer Mission — November 2011 Plan | |
| август одиннадцатого года первая реакция совета безопасности по российской инициативе ноябрь Одина года лига арабских государств принимает план согласно которому хочет Направить наблюдателей в Сирию и смотреть что там происходит на самом деле кто прав кто виноват Дамаск Да причём место дамаска в Лиге арабских государств становится вакантный его не пускают на эти заседать сирийское руководство естественно обижается мы предпринимаем серьёзные усилия и убеждаемся стали готовить свой первый доклад в котором содержа |
Full house translation — pending review August eleventh of the year, the first reaction of the Security Council to the Russian initiative, November of the same year, the League of Arab States adopts a plan according to which it wants to send observers to Syria and see what is actually happening there, who is right and who is at fault, Damascus, yes, moreover, the place of Damascus in the League of Arab States becomes vacant, they do not let it attend these meetings, the Syrian leadership is naturally offended, we are making serious efforts and are convinced, we are preparing our first report in which it contains |
| содержались факты что не только правительство нарушает вот режим прекращения огня который должен быть установлен но и оппозиционеры вооружённые тем же самым занимаются и допускают нарушение Международного гуманитарного права тут же лига арабских государств эту миссию свернула её отозвала наблюдатель Ух следующий Эта весна года назна специальным посланником пла который тоже не на ура воспринимается в дамаске мы предпринимаем усилия Дамаск соглашается работать на основе этого плана соглашается принять наблюдателей |
Full house translation — pending review facts were contained that not only the government violates the ceasefire regime that should be established but also the opposition, armed with the same, engages in and allows violations of international humanitarian law. Right there, the League of Arab States withdrew this mission, its observer was recalled. Next, this spring of the year, a special envoy of the UN was appointed, which is also not well received in Damascus. We are making efforts; Damascus agrees to work on the basis of this plan and agrees to accept the observers. |
| ООН Наблюдатели туда выдвигаются развёртывать Что начинает постепенно медленно но постепенно и верно насилие спадать инцидентов всё меньше и меньше как только это стало фиксироваться уж не знаю наверно убеждён что по подсказке изза рубежа оппозиционеры начали активизироваться были создано нетерпимое условия Вокруг этой миссии ООН её пришлось свернуть следующий этап по нашей инициативе которую поддержал кофан собираем в июне двенадцатого года женевскую встречу принимаем консенсуса Женевское коммюнике Обратите |
Full house translation — pending review ...UN observers move there and deploy. Gradually, slowly but steadily, violence begins to decline; there are fewer and fewer incidents. As soon as this began to be recorded, I do not know—indeed, I am convinced it was at prompting from abroad—the opposition became more active. Intolerable conditions were created around the UN mission, and it had to be wound down. The next stage: at our initiative, supported by Kofi Annan [name garbled], we convened the Geneva meeting in June of the year twelve and adopted the Geneva Communiqué by consensus. Note... [source cuts off] |
| 31 Geneva Communique — All External Players Must Send the Same Signal | |
| внимание Кто автор этого комки все пять членов постоянных членов совета безопасности лига арабских государств Евросоюз Турция Катар Ирак генера рион Казалось бы компания достаточно представительная хотя мы были убеждены что нужно ещё пригласить было Иран и саудовскую аравию Но Ира иранской участь было заблокировано американцами Я считаю это ошибка но тем не менее Иран в кон конв ЗАО докумен по ВМ с прекратить стрелять все внешние игроки которые представлены в Женеве должны послать одинаковый сильный сигнал всем |
Full house translation — pending review attention Who is the author of this lump all five permanent members of the Security Council Arab League European Union Turkey Qatar Iraq General Rion It seemed like a sufficiently representative company although we were convinced that we still needed to invite Iran and Saudi Arabia But Iraq and Iran's fate was blocked by the Americans I consider this a mistake but nevertheless Iran in the end the document on the cessation of all external players represented in Geneva must send the same strong signal to everyone |
| воюющим сторонам сказать мы требуем от вас это сделать И я убеждён что если бы все действовали в таком ключе стрельба давно бы прекратилась значит ли это что это в интересах некоторых игроков на мировой арене и В чьих это интереса наверное не знаю В чьих но я отвечаю на вопрос вашего телезрителя о том когда же он наконец действия России увидет Женевская встреча была создана по инициативе России а и значит как только вот этот эта платформа для урегулирования появилась Через несколько дней мы Убедили президента |
Full house translation — pending review to the warring parties we say we demand that you do this and I am convinced that if everyone acted in such a manner, the shooting would have long since ceased. Does this mean that this is in the interest of some players on the world stage? Whose interest is it? I probably don't know whose, but I am answering your television viewer's question about when Russia will finally see its actions. The Geneva meeting was created at the initiative of Russia, and therefore, as soon as this platform for settlement appeared, a few days later we convinced the president. ] |
| асада принять её за основу для дальнейших действий оппозиция до сих пор этого не сказала более того оппозиция через 3 дня после женевской встречи отвергла Это Конике как не подразумевающее не предполагающее смену режима и уход асада до начала переговоров и соответственно мы принесли это Конике в Совет Безопасности предложили его одобрить сайте безопасности нам западные партнёры сказали Ну вот да мы же консенсус поддержали в Женеве мы как бы причастны к этому документу но вот там нет темы свержения режима поэтому |
Full house translation — pending review Asad to take it as a basis for further actions, the opposition has not yet said this. Moreover, the opposition, through 3 days after the Geneva meeting, rejected this as not implying, not presupposing regime change and Asad's departure before the start of negotiations, and accordingly we brought this to Koniki in the Security Council, proposed its approval. In the Security Council, our Western partners said, 'Well, yes, we supported the consensus in Geneva, we are somehow involved in this document, but there is no topic of overthrowing the regime there, therefore' |
| 33 Opposition Refusing Dialogue — Government Ready to Negotiate | |
| Давайте напишем что это каменник может выполняться как только а уйдёт от власти Ну опять же Либо мы договариваемся о чём-то либо люди пытаются потом переиграть Ну и так далее И вот последний пример Мы единственная страна кстати которая встречается Со всеми теми кто в Сирии вне представляет те и иные течения сирийского общества и с правительством с внутренней оппозицией со всеми без исключения оппозиционера Я встречался с руководителем так называемой национальной коалиции господином хабом он имеет Приглашение в |
Full house translation — pending review 'Let us write that this communiqué [word garbled] can be implemented as soon as [name missing] leaves power.' Again, either we agree on something or people then try to change the deal, and so on. One final example: incidentally, we are the only country that meets with everyone representing different currents of Syrian society, in Syria and outside [source wording truncated]: the government, the internal opposition and all opposition figures without exception. I met with the head of the so-called National Coalition, Mr Khab [name incomplete]. He has an invitation to... [source cuts off] |
| 34 Arab League Replaced Syria's Seat with Opposition Coalition | |
| Москву И что показательно что он совсем недавно выступил за то чтобы вс-таки начать диалог с правительством без предварительных Умут по тут же наши коллеги из Лиги арабских государств созвали чрезвычайное совещание и приняли решение что отныне и вовеки вот эта национальная коалиция является единственным законным представителем сирийского народа как будто нет тех кто по-прежнему видит в режиме какого-то защитника отэ внутрен оппозиции в Сирии и посадили вот эту коалицию на место Сирии в Лиге арабских государств Я |
Full house translation — pending review Moscow, and what is indicative is that he very recently spoke in favor of actually starting a dialogue with the government without preliminary Umut, and then immediately our colleagues from the League of Arab States convened an emergency meeting and decided that henceforth and forever this national coalition is the sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people, as if there are no one who still sees in the regime some kind of protector of the internal opposition in Syria, and they put this coalition in the place of Syria in the League of Arab States. I |
| 32 Arming the Opposition — Violating International Norms | |
| считаю что лига арабских государ тем самым свои посреднические усилия перечеркнул Тем более что в том же решении разрешается так великодушно поставлять оппозиции оружие Хотя Это нарушает все мыслимые и немыслимые международные нормы и законы поэтому мы давно занимаемся тем что пытаемся успокоить ситуацию Но как только появляется Леши проблеск надежды чуть-чуть забже свет в конце туннеля кто-то Как вы и сказали кому-то Это наверно выгодно тут же делает всё чтобы подорвать вот эту надежду и опять пустить ситуацию |
Full house translation — pending review I believe that the Arab League, by thus crossing out its own mediation efforts, especially since the same resolution allows so magnanimously to supply arms to the opposition, although this violates all conceivable and inconceivable international norms and laws, therefore we have long been engaged in trying to calm the situation. But as soon as there appears a glimmer of hope, a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel, someone, as you said, someone, this is probably beneficial, immediately does everything to undermine this hope and again let the situation |
| 35 Egypt Parallels — Destabilising Regional Heavyweights | |
| под откос в сторону войны до победного конца там не будет Победителей кому это выгодно Я не знаю выгодно может быть многим может быть выгодно тем кто хотел бы видеть в регионе поменьше крупных и влиятельных СТМ кто хоте чтобы э сохра Лост чтобы они подольше были заняты разгребаем вот этих вот последствий жуткой войны Сири Але разрушен это город который под охраной ЮНЕСКО находится посмотрите что в Египте происходит Наверное кому-то это тоже выгодно потому что Египет в конце концов всегда был ведущей региональной |
Full house translation — pending review off the cliff towards a war to the victorious end there will be no victors who benefits I do not know it may benefit many it may benefit those who would like to see fewer large and influential construction machinery manufacturers in the region who wanted the economy to remain so that they stay occupied longer clearing up the consequences of this terrible war Syria Aleppo is a destroyed city which is under UNESCO protection look what is happening in Egypt probably someone benefits from that too because Egypt has always been a leading regional |
| державой который имел позицию принципиальную и очень веский голос по проблеме уре и стремится подтвердить эту свою роль но у них основная часть основные силы уходят на то чтобы успокоить внутреннюю ситуацию встречались с президентом Мурси когда президент Путин был вот на саммите в ЮАР мы продолжим с ним работать будем поддерживать усилия по стабилизации но пока Египет из активной такой игры в как он обычно участвовал в ближневосточных делах выведен и в Лиге арабских государств уже другие люди зазы музыку потому |
Full house translation — pending review by a state which had a principled position and a very strong voice on the issue of ure and strives to confirm this role but their main part the main forces are diverted to calming the internal situation met with President Morsi when President Putin was at the summit in South Africa we will continue to work with him and support efforts to stabilize but for now Egypt has been removed from active such a game as it usually participated in Middle Eastern affairs and in the League of Arab States other people have taken over because |
| что например решение об исключении Сирии было принято в нарушени устава Лиги арабских государств такие решения принимаются только консенсуса Согласно уставу а там было два-три возражай государства Так что единственный путь - это опять же ничего тут нового не придумаешь надо прекратить поощрять насилие надо прекратить милитари это конф и удить ны заговоров правительством во многом под нашим давлением сформировала переговорную команду мы с Джоном Кери когда встречались в Берлине об этом говорили и он сказал что |
Full house translation — pending review for example, the decision to exclude Syria was taken in violation of the Charter of the League of Arab States; such decisions are taken only by consensus according to the Charter, and there were two or three objecting states. So the only way is, again, nothing new can be invented; we must stop encouraging violence, we must stop militarizing this conflict, and we must stop hunting for conspiracies. The government, to a large extent under our pressure, formed the negotiating team. We talked about this when I met with John Kerry in Berlin, and he said that |
| будет также содействовать тому чтобы оппозиция переговорную команду свою сформировала у правительства это Премьер вице-премьер три министра и я потом перезвонил государственному секретарю и сказал что да нам Дамаск подтвердил что это переговорная команд К сожалению пока ни американцам ни кому быто либо ещё не удалось побудить оппозицию к тому чтобы такая же команда появилась на той стороне так что надеюсь ваш телезритель будет доволен Ну по крайней мере доволен не знаю я я не услышал вопросе его желание быть |
Full house translation — pending review will also contribute to the fact that the opposition forms its own negotiating team with the government, this Prime Minister, Vice-Prime Minister, three ministers, and I then called the Secretary of State and said that yes, Damascus confirmed that this is the negotiating team. Unfortunately, so far neither the Americans nor anyone else has been able to persuade the opposition to form such a team on that side, so I hope your television audience will be satisfied. Well, at least satisfied, I don't know, I didn't hear the question, his desire to be |
| 39 Bidzina Ivanishvili Government — Pragmatism and Positive Signals | |
| довольным ролью России но факты по крайней мере вот основные и гораздо больше но хорошо я тогда просто переду к последнему вопросу К сожалению поскольку у нас нет времени по Грузии не могла не спросить вас не потому что я грузинка Сергей Викторович потому что это просто очень многих интересует в том числе политологов политиков и грузинских политиков интересует там сменилась власть и идут только позитивные сигналы сейчас от официального Тбилиси бедны Иванишвили заявляет о готовности дружить по всем направлениям |
Full house translation — pending review satisfied with the role of Russia, but the facts, at least the main ones, and much more, but well, then I will simply move on to the last question. Unfortunately, since we do not have time, I could not not ask you about Georgia. Not because I am Georgian, Sergey Viktorovich, but because this is simply of great interest to many, including political scientists, politicians, and Georgian politicians are interested there. Power has changed, and only positive signals are now coming from official Tbilisi. Bidzina Ivanishvili declares readiness to be friends in all directions |
| 36 Russia Always Sought Friendship and Cooperation with Georgia | |
| вот я не услышала вот всё-таки у меня не не сложилось понимание представление о том как будут развиваться отношения между Москвой и белис в дальнейшем вот что вы видите сейчас в новом грузинском правительстве вы хотите с ними конструктивного мы всегда хотели с нашими грузинскими соседями дружить сотрудничать помогать им решать проблемы и если бы не авантюра августа восьмого года я думаю что мы смогли бы продвинуться достаточно Серьёзно Отношения постоянно напрягались господином Саакашвили он внёс в общем-то Я |
Full house translation — pending review here I did not hear, after all, I did not form a clear understanding or representation of how relations between Moscow and Tbilisi will develop in the future. What do you see now in the new Georgian government? Do you want constructive relations with them? We have always wanted to be friends, cooperate, and help our Georgian neighbors solve problems, and if not for the adventure of August eighth, I think we could have made significant progress. Relations were constantly strained by Mr. Saakashvili. He made, in general, I consider a destructive contribution to the souls and minds of many young Georgians and Georgians. He consistently pursued a line to deceive about what historical ties bind our peoples. Now, let me give just one example. I will not speak in detail about the conflicts with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but the fact that Ossetians sent their first embassy to St. Petersburg before the Treaty of Georgievsk, and the fact that Abkhazians joined the Russian Empire before the Treaty of Georgievsk, is a fact. But I am talking about something else, and then how to treat them as equals |
| 38 Historical Abkhaz and Ossetian Ties Predating Modern Georgia | |
| считаю разрушительный вклад в души и умы многих молодых грузин и грузинок он последовательно проводил линию на выманить о том какие исторические узы связывают наши стра Ну достаточно одного примера я сейчас не буду подробно говорить про носило конфликтов с Южной осетией с абхазией Но то что и осетины своё первое посольство в Петербург направили до георгиевского трактата и то что абхазы вошли в Российскую империю до георгиевского трактата это факт но я сейчас о другом и потом как их третировать равноправными в |
Full house translation — pending review in |
| одном статусе союзными республиками а потом Иосиф нович Сталин передал Абхазию внутрь Грузии мы всё это знаю но сам Георгиевский трактат который стал результатом обращения Грузин за покровительством к русскому трону Саакашвили в одной из своих таких эмоциональных речей назвал это событие в истории наших отношений первой оккупацией Грузии России вот вбивать такие вещи в головы молодёжи которая просто не помнят ещё хороших периода хороших отношения Я считаю это преступление перед собственным народом поэтому Михаил |
Full house translation — pending review in one status the union republics and then Joseph Vich Stalin transferred Abkhazia inside Georgia we all know this but the very Georgievsky treaty which became the result of the appeal of the Georgians for protection to the Russian throne, Saakashvili in one of his such emotional speeches called this event in the history of our relations the first occupation of Georgia by Russia, so to instill such things into the heads of youth who simply do not remember yet good periods of good relations, I consider this a crime against their own people, therefore Mikhail |
| Николаевич для нас человек как бы уже отрезанный ломоть отрезанный ломоть Он кстати сейчас продолжает как только он услышит что бензина Иванишвили или его министры говорят что-то позитивное об отношениях с Россией он тут же так сказать Берт за правило делать какой-то комментарий обязательно в другом направлении но я не думаю что его кто-то ещ слушает в этом мире что касается нового правительства не мы его приводили к власти мы вообще старались никак не комментировать то что происходит на внутриполитической |
Full house translation — pending review Nikolaevich is for us a person who is, as it were, a cut-off piece, a cut-off piece. By the way, he continues to do so: as soon as he hears that Ivashvili or his ministers say something positive about relations with Russia, he immediately, so to speak, makes a comment in another direction. But I do not think that anyone else in this world listens to him. As for the new government, we did not bring them to power; we generally tried not to comment on what is happening in domestic politics. |
| грузинской сцене это выбор делал грузинский народ мы этот выбор уважаем Мы удовлетворены тем что правительство хочет Прагматично решать те вопрос которые в наших отношениях есть и возобновление торговли сельскохозяйственной продукцией напитками кстати сотрудничество в области энергетики никогда и не прерывалась и газ электроэнергии там Российский капитал Российские компании работают и самое это главное что у нас по-прежнему очень такая сильная тяга друг другу я со многими грузинами дружу И с теми которые в Москве |
Full house translation — pending review on the Georgian stage this choice was made by the Georgian people we respect this choice We are satisfied that the government wants to pragmatically solve those questions that exist in our relations and the resumption of trade in agricultural products and beverages moreover cooperation in the field of energy was never interrupted and Russian capital Russian companies work there and most importantly what is most important is that we still have such a strong attraction to each other I am friends with many Georgians and with those who are in Moscow |
| 37 Saakashvili's 2008 War — Shelling Tskhinval and Betraying Peacekeepers | |
| живут Конечно они по-разному воспринимают и не думаю что появится политик в каком-то обозримом будущем в Грузии который скажет да давайте Забудем про Абхазию про Южную Осетию но надо понимать И то что в России не появится политик который скажет это мы были не правы как мы были не право когда началось всё с того что нагнетай обстановка и 7 августа были контакты с Саакашвили и он отдал приказ не нимани нев там же Был под свам был или под да Но изначально назывался Цхинвал также как грузини при Сталине все фамилии |
Full house translation — pending review live. Of course, they perceive things differently, and I do not think that a politician will appear in Georgia in any foreseeable future who will say, 'Yes, let's forget about Abkhazia and South Ossetia,' but one must understand that in Russia, a politician will not appear who will say, 'We were wrong,' as we were wrong when everything began with the fact that the situation was being exacerbated, and on 7 August there were contacts with Saakashvili, and he gave an order not to occupy Nini Nevi there. There was a sub-Svan or something like that, but initially it was called Tskhinval, just as Georgian surnames were under Stalin. |
| абхазские и осетинские также Вот и города называли но я к тому что это же подн подвалом смей батальон в котом грузие и россие и роной конфликта жной Осетии в то время в этом батальоне служили русские грузины и осетины Через несколько часов после того как Саакашвили публично сказал что не будет боевых действий грузинские Миротворцы из этого батальона ушли и ещё через пару часов вместе с подразделениями грузинской армии ре в СХ товарище нание ниеми шение которое было подписано с грузинским руководством до |
Full house translation — pending review Abkhaz and Ossetian also Here are the cities called but I mean that this is indeed a basement battalion in which Georgia and Russia and the party of the conflict in South Ossetia at that time in this battalion served Russians Georgians and Ossetians A few hours after Saakashvili publicly said that there would be no combat operations Georgian peacekeepers from this battalion left and another couple of hours together with units of the Georgian army re in SC comrade nanie nanie shenie which was signed with the Georgian leadership to |
| Саакашвили если и вы знаете мы не раз говорили что наша цель была остановить кровопролитие и сделать так чтобы подавить огневые точки уже за территорией Южной Осетии с которых точек обстреливала этой территории это когда было сделано Наши войска вернулись но оставались естественно на юго остинской территории потому что угроза реванша из Саш признавать не было никакой цели признавать не было даже не думал Никто об этом я был свидетелем этих событий как ВС это обсуждалось в Москве цель была одна остановить |
Full house translation — pending review Sakashvili if and you know we have not once said that our goal was to stop the bloodshed and make it so that to suppress the firing points already beyond the territory of South Ossetia from which points shelled this territory this is when it was done Our troops returned but remained naturally on the South Ossetian territory because the threat of revenge from Sash was not recognized there was no goal to recognize there was not even thought about it Nobody about this I was a witness to these events as the armed forces this was discussed in Moscow the goal was one to stop |
| кровопролитие но потом Когда избили стали раздаваться реваншист сигналы когда Саакашвили отказался от того же с ть международные дискуссии по определению статуса Южной Осетии Абхазии мы были статус готовы в международном контексте обсуждать он сказал никаких обсуждений Ну и последующие вот его реваншист заявления показали что подвели что другого пути кроме признания Независимости другого пути обеспечить безопасность Да и выва Эдо Я не вижу как вы тоже согласились как может появиться грузинские политика воз время |
Full house translation — pending review bloodshed but then when beatings began to occur, revisionist signals were heard when Saakashvili refused to engage in the same international discussions on determining the status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. We were ready to discuss the status in the international context. He said there would be no discussions. And subsequent revisionist statements of his showed that they led to a situation where there was no other way but to recognize independence as the only path to ensure security. And you, I do not see how you also agreed. How can Georgian politics emerge during this time? |
| 40 Recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia Is Irreversible | |
| будущем которые скажет Ну всё Мы забыли про это были неправы точно так же не будет российского политика который скажет что вы знаете Это так Всё Давайте теперь всё вернём на круги свои этого не может быть как повторю как бы к этому не относиться и когда нам говорят американцы Давайте вот в контексте ограничений или там контроле за обычными вооружениями в Европе запишем что вы должны уважать границы которые существовали до августа девятого восьмого года мы говорим ребят Ну вы можете с этим не соглашаться Но это |
Full house translation — pending review future which will say No, we forgot about this, we were wrong, exactly so there will not be a Russian politician who will say that you know, this is all, let's now bring everything back to square one, this cannot happen, as I repeat, however one may relate to this, and when Americans tell us, let's say in the context of restrictions or control over conventional weapons in Europe, we will write that you must respect the borders that existed before August ninth, eight hundred and eighty-eight, we say guys, well, you may disagree with this, but this |
| решение российского президента И решение российского руководство то есть Каким бы не был решили нельзя изменить нет понимаете нет Изменить можно много Мы ведь не разрывали дипломатические отношения как это сдела Да но беженцы которых там сотни тысяч они не вернутся в Абхазию этот вопрос волнует грузин значит про беженцев понимаете если волнует тогда пускай объяснят тем кто ведёт переговоры были созданы по предложению Медведева ирга так называемые женевские дискуссии которые уже раз 20 по встречались вот буквально |
Full house translation — pending review the decision of the Russian president and the Russian leadership decision, that is, no matter what they decided, it cannot be changed, no, you understand, no, it can be changed many times. We did not sever diplomatic relations, as this was done. But the refugees there, hundreds of thousands of them, will not return to Abkhazia. This issue concerns the Georgians, so regarding the refugees, you understand, if it concerns them, then let them explain to those who are leading the negotiations. They were created at the proposal of Medvedev, the ERGA, so-called Geneva discussions, which have already met 20 times, literally. |
| 41 Geneva Discussions — Security Track and Refugee Issue | |
| не так давно очередная была встреча было согласовано что обсуждаются два Круга вопросов первом вопрос безопасности в регионе чтобы не вознов подобные чит авантюры и второе во включая положение беженцев и перемещенных лиц в соответствии с международным гуманитарным правом и практикой постконцептуальный более 10 лет проблемы беженцев на балканах сербских беженцев это самая большая группа беженцев в Европе они тоже едва ли когда вернутся в Хорватию едва ли когда вернутся те кто из Косова убежал из южных частей |
Full house translation — pending review not long ago another meeting was held it was agreed that two circles of issues are being discussed in the first circle the question of security in the region so that similar adventures are not repeated and second including the situation of refugees and displaced persons in accordance with international humanitarian law and practice post-conceptual more 10 years the refugee problem in the Balkans Serbian refugees this is the largest group of refugees in Europe they will hardly ever return to Croatia hardly ever will those who fled from Kosovo from the southern parts return |
| Косова но тем не менее в этих женевских дискуссиях была создана Рабочая группа которая занимается в том числе вопросом беженцев и предложено было начать с того чтобы управление Комиссара ООН по делам беженцев провело инвентаризацию этой всей ситуации и когда там только-только Конечно этот диалог Очень непростой потому что он затрагивает прямо ещё не зажив рану абхазы Юго осетины не очень хотели этим заниматься но в итоге всё-таки они вовлечен открывалась генеральная а самб Грузия внесла туда резолюцию по проблеме |
Full house translation — pending review Kosovo but nevertheless in these Geneva discussions a Working Group was created which deals among other things with the question of refugees and it was proposed to start with the fact that the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees conduct an inventory of this entire situation and when there only just of course this dialogue is very difficult because it touches directly still not healed wounds of Abkhazians and South Ossetians not very much wanted to engage in this but in the end they were involved opened the general and Georgia submitted there a resolution on the problem |
| беженцев и перемены лиц как раз вот абхазы Юго осетины попросили чтобы если грузины считают что не в женевских дискуссиях это надо обсуждать А на глобальной мировой площадке чтобы им осетинам абхаза дали возможность выступить в он и презентовать как бы свою часть Правды они обратились за визой в Соединённые Штаты соединённым штатам бы отказа в Ви грузи резолюцию вносят и там голосуют и её принимают просто пока они они за такую позицию мы их прекрасно понимаем что пока Грузия хочет эту проблему делать |
Full house translation — pending review ...refugees and displaced persons [word garbled]. The Abkhazians and South Ossetians asked that, if the Georgians believe this should be discussed not in the Geneva discussions but on a global platform, they, the Ossetians and Abkhazians, should be allowed to speak at the UN and present their side of the truth. They applied for visas to the United States; the United States refused them visas [words truncated]. Georgia submits a resolution, people vote on it and it is adopted. For now, they take that position, and we understand them very well: while Georgia wants to make this problem... [source cuts off] |
| исключительно предметом пропаганды Во мы на женевских дискуссиях её рассматривать не будем то есть там где есть все участники процесс где эти вопросы можно Прагматично решать он сечас не обсуждается в общем-то я считаю не по вине кого быто ещё кроме кроме наших коллег из Тбилиси Вот Но я повторю ещё раз нам импонирует прагматизм с которым правительство Иванишвили подходит к отношениям Мы готовы помимо расширения торговли Тем более что у нас есть договорённость по вступлению России во всемирную торговую |
Full house translation — pending review exclusively the subject of propaganda, we will not consider it at the Geneva discussions, that is, where all participants are present, where these issues can be pragmatically resolved; it is not currently being discussed. In general, I believe it is not due to anyone else except our colleagues from Tbilisi. But I will repeat once more: we appreciate the pragmatism with which the Ivashvili government approaches relations. We are ready, in addition to expanding trade, especially since we have an agreement on Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization. |
| 42 Cultural, Theater and Academic Contacts with Georgia Welcome | |
| организацию Здесь даже в правовом плане дополнительные предпосылки для того чтобы торговать активнее Мы готовы как были все эти годы и к культурным гуманитарным спортивным контактам у нас политологи ездят в том числе из МГИМО из дипакадемии учёные ездят на различные конференции в Грузию к нам сюда регулярно приезжают работать по антрепризы и на фестивали театральные Я только Приветствую Это потому что народы всё равно должны помнить как они жили вместе как Они дружили Да я думаю что эта Дружба никуда и не исчезла |
Full house translation — pending review organization Here even in the legal sense there are additional prerequisites for trading more actively We were ready as we have been all these years and for cultural humanitarian sports contacts our political scientists travel including from MGIMO from the diplomatic academy scientists travel to various conferences to Georgia to us here regularly come to work on engagements and at festivals theatrical I just Welcome This is because peoples must remember how they lived together how they were friends Yes I think that this friendship has not disappeared anywhere |
| Хотя очень серьёзные испытания проходят сейчас Сергей Викторович Спасибо вам огромное ещё раз хочу сказать что это было первое интервью министра иностранного дела Российской Федерации на телеканале RTVi и Для нас это очень важно и мы благодарим вас э Надеемся ещё неоднократно увидеться в эфире Спасибо Спасибо |
Full house translation — pending review Although very serious trials are taking place now, Sergey Viktorovich, thank you very much once again. I want to say that this was the first interview of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation on the RTVi television channel, and for us this is very important, and we thank you. We hope to meet again and again on air. Thank you, thank you. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Kind: captions Language: en Let's begin. Thank you, Sergey Viktorovich, for deciding to give an interview to the ArtV television company. This is the first time in all the years of the company's existence, which is especially important for us. I will immediately warn you that we will have an interview format that includes questions from viewers. That is, we announced to Zarya that we will be interviewing the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified A huge number of questions came in, we tried to select the best and most interesting ones, and I will, of course, start with Korea. The United States of America abandoned testing an intercontinental ballistic missile, as far as we know, and the motivation was the following: not to irritate North Korea, that is, in the West, as far as we know, it is quite serious. They are already taking the threat that comes from quinine more than seriously. In your opinion, is the third Kim Jong Un bluffing or is this all serious? |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Is there really a danger of war now? |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Regarding the fact that the reason for this or that step is the desire not to irritate the North, I would say that there are already more than enough irritants there, and from all sides, it is certainly unacceptable when the state, in this case, the Korean People's Democratic Republic The Republic, a member of the United Nations, is openly and defiantly violating the Security Council resolution, and we, along with all other members of the Security Council, have spoken out on this issue on numerous occasions, and the most recent such incident was in response to the tests that quinine carried out in violation of its obligations. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We are convinced that the situation is already very serious because of nuclear explosions and missile launches. This is not a joke, but rhetoric plays an equally harmful role because at some point, mutual accusations, mutual threats, and mutual warnings can reach a point. When people drive themselves into a mess and confront public opinion, it will be necessary to act and present it to public opinion. Therefore, we are consistently and persistently striving to calm the situation. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified In this regard, of course, the cancellation of any actions related to the demonstration of military power is a positive reaction. The state that accepted the Pentagon with the approval of President Obama, as I understand it, is positive, but this should generally encourage us all not to escalate further. This confrontation should not be escalated, but rather, we should try to use diplomacy. Most likely, it should be quiet, not public. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Diplomacy is to get the situation out of this corner where it has fallen onto the road that leads to the resumption of the six-party negotiations. We are doing this. We are working with Pyongyang, of course. Of course, we are closely coordinating our actions with our Chinese neighbors, with the Americans, with the Japanese, and with the Republic of Korea. In general, with all the participants in the six-party negotiations, it is difficult to say what the outcome will be. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But I would not like, on the one hand, the price of the statement itself to be manifested in escalating rhetoric, and especially in some illegal actions. And on the other hand, I would not like the situation to be driven into a corner by the desire to prove that we can call everyone to order. Here we need to act not by force, not by threats, but by calming the situation. I repeat, measures are being taken, but I cannot say what they will be crowned with now. We are hoping for the best. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified One of our viewers, Dmitry Petko, asks whether you think that in order to prevent a war in Korea, Russia can more decisively act on the side of North Korea. That is, many of our viewers, in fact, write that they would like to see more from Moscow. decisive action, that's how far the line has been reached now, when you really see that one more step and something irreparable will happen, there is such a thing. I don't think that elections are required here, to decide on whose side to take. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We want to take the side of reason and the side of a peaceful settlement. Everything else is already from emotions. Poor North Korea. If your viewers follow this logic, it is surrounded by military exercises, and such massive ones, naval, land, and air, and these exercises really do not help, and we are talking about this to the Americans and the Japanese, and the South Koreans have their exercises. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But this is a reckless path, and I think that here the desire to make a mark may be to thwart some kind of applause from some part of the audience by taking such a rather exotic position. I think it should still give way to a search for a solution to the situation on all fronts. The next question naturally concerns Russian-American relations. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified According to many analysts and experts, politicians, hopes for an improvement in relations have not yet been realized, and in your opinion, Barack Obama and the US presidential administration have been re-elected, and are they moving in Are you personally disappointed in the Russian Federation's current leadership? You always want more in any situation, in relations with any country, with any person with whom you see the prospect of implementing some kind of joint, mutually beneficial projects. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Therefore, here too, we try to rely on facts and not give in to emotions. We have achieved a lot of useful things during the first four years of President Obama's tenure. Of course, this is the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty, which both sides are successfully implementing, confirming this and expressing satisfaction about it. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We have enacted an agreement on cooperation in the peaceful use of atomic energy, which, in terms of non-proliferation of dangerous technologies and in terms of the economic interests of Russia and the United States, is very beneficial for both Moscow and Washington. We have signed a breakthrough agreement on visa facilitation. Now, businessmen and tourists can receive multiple visas for three years, and the application review period, I think, is two weeks. This also has not happened before. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Well, we have a number of such important cultural events. Chkalov also held very interesting ones. And now we are preparing a project that will ensure close cooperation. Between the national parks in Chukotka and Alaska is called Berin, this is just a small example, of course, we would like more, for example, Vladimir Putin 2 years ago spoke in favor of us not limiting ourselves to simply relaxing the visa regime. But in general, we should move towards abolishing visas. We see no reason to do this. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified And of course, we still have missile defense irritants, this is one of the obvious cases. One of the obvious cases. Of course, we paid attention. We pay attention to everything related to missile defense. We paid attention to the decision to postpone the fourth phase. I read that they officially stated that the Americans are a final and irrevocable decision that there will be no fourth phase of deployment in Eastern Europe. The Russian country, as far as we know, has stated that it will not change its plans. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I have not heard or seen any irrevocable changes in American statements on this matter. In my opinion, the administration cannot do this because Congress, back in its last convocation, forbade them from making any changes without consulting legislators. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But in any case, even if we now take into account that the fourth The phase has been at least postponed for a long period, as some analysts have mentioned for 10 years, but the new configuration remains within the framework of the United States' global missile defense system. No one should be misled by the fact that there is now a European missile defense system under the NATO umbrella. This is still the same American missile defense system. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified NATO has not made and will not make any intellectual or other contributions to changing the American plan. The same is true in the Far East, where, together with the Japanese and South Koreans, it is a segment of its national missile defense system, and the same is true in the Middle East. That is, this is not only the European part of the globe; these are three large regions, each of which, coincidentally or accidentally, is quite close to our borders, so we do not suspect anyone of anything. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But as one great commander said, in military affairs, it is not intentions but potential that matter. You also know that Chekhov's gun is based on the same logic. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Therefore, if our partners do not want to respond to the proposal that President Putin has been making since 2007 about sitting down together and analyzing where the threat is coming from. for all GOST Euro-Atlantic region and then, having understood where these missile proliferation threats may come from, think together about how to create a system that could respond to this task. And the task, as the Americans interpret it, is to suppress threats emanating from outside the Euro-Atlantic region. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified That is, as if from outside the region, NATO plus Russia, even Europe, plus Russia, but America, of course. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But since our partners said that they have already come up with everything themselves and that our intellectual contribution is not required, we, seeing in the scheme that is currently being implemented threats to risks for at least our strategic nuclear forces, are asking you to urgently put on paper what we are told verbally, namely, that this system is not directed against us, and we will need legal guarantees. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I will explain why many political assurances were given, and starting from the moment the Warsaw Pact disappeared, when the Soviet Union was still withdrawing its troops from Europe, we were promised solemnly at the highest level that NATO would not expand to the east. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Then, at some stage, when it nevertheless began to expand to the east, despite these solemn assurances at the highest level, we were again Having promised that significant combat forces will not be permanently deployed on the territory of new members, this was even written down when the NATO-Russia Council was created. But as soon as we try to formulate what exactly is meant by the term significant combat forces, we are told Well, that's later. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Meanwhile, up to 2 brigade-sized troops, along with weapons, are being deployed on the territory of new members, bases are being created, and so on. Euro. I mean, therefore, we will no longer need political assurances, but guarantees. This is all the more relevant since you or your TV viewers have probably heard. We, quite a long time ago, in 2008, put forward the initiative to sign a treaty on European security, the meaning of which would be to make the principle of the indivisibility of security legally binding. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified A document in the documents of the NATO-Russia Council states that none of the members of this council will ensure their security at the expense of infringing on the security of others. And the reaction to these proposals of ours was quite peculiar. Well, why do you need legal guarantees? |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified When you have political guarantees, and tell us what our partners from Europe told us, here you go, missile defense is the very case because we are We see that the attempt to strengthen the security of Europe and the United States by creating a missile defense system creates risks for Russia's security, thereby violating the political commitments made within the framework of the Russia-NATO Council, but we need more than just legal guarantees. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We need an agreed list of criteria that would allow these obligations to be met and that the development of US missile defense on a global scale is proceeding in such a way as to meet the initially stated goal, namely, to suppress missile threats from outside the Euro-Atlantic region. Mutual trust and mistrust on both sides, as far as I understand, are required by the European Union. Why is it necessary? I have heard many times about guarantees of non-targeting about this. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified An old story and every time it is postponed. That's why it still doesn't work out. Maybe this is a rhetorical question, but I don't know. Well, why did they promise us not to expand NATO? They began to expand, they promised not to deploy armed forces. Georgia was not accepted. Well, you know, a decision is also being considered here to postpone Georgia's application. I wouldn't consider it as some kind of gesture towards Russia. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Yeah, Georgia is objective documents of the same NATO and European organizations, the OSCE Council. Georgia in Europe is not ready to meet the standards that NATO itself has established for its members. They themselves admit this, and above all, this is the situation in the sphere of the rule of law and much more that constitutes the essence of democracy in the sense in which NATO interprets it. Well, actually, this understanding is quite universal, and here I would be guided simply by the facts. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified They promised, they didn't do it, they wrote it down on paper, they didn't do it, now next time. We will, and such a next time is coming, it has come, we will insist on legally binding guarantees. Continuing with the topic of American-Russian relations, trials are not allowed, but we have data that you personally were initially against Dima Yakovleva's law. And you are not the only one in the government of the Russian Federation. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified In your opinion, after a certain amount of time, the Russian response is symmetrical and adequate. American Reni in AK conceived. Well, I don't know. People in politics are quite sophisticated, as far as one can judge. And of course, it was undertaken not without the influence of Mr. Browder, who amassed a large fortune illegally in the Russian Federation. It so happened that the unfortunate Sergei Magnitsky worked against Browder. It also extended to his lawyer Sergei Magnitsky. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The tragedy that happened to him is terrible in principle. When people die in prisons, it is very bad. Especially since the person could not get the opportunity to prove his case or vice versa. But it is always bad. It is not only when we die in prison. This is our problem. We are now, on the instructions of President Putin, the Human Rights Commissioner Vladimir Lukin is preparing a proposal to improve the penitentiary system, especially improving the conditions of detention in pre-trial detention centers. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified But no less a tragedy is, for example, the suicide of Dalmatov, most likely, in a Dutch prison. We, by the way, are expecting from the Dutch authorities. During President Putin's visit, we reminded our Dutch partners of this. We expect the results of the investigation into this situation to be provided as soon as possible. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We really want to establish the truth, just as we want to establish the truth regarding the death of our other citizens, the same Litvinenko, and we are indeed a little alarmed that the UK leadership, through the relevant departments, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, asked the court to classify a significant part of the information that is part of the investigation of this. This is relevant, but returning to the Magnitsky Act, you see. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified When the Americans realized that they needed to repeal the Jackson-Vanik Amendment because otherwise they would be left out of the benefits that WTO member countries would receive from Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization, it worked for them. You see, the desire to replace an anti-Soviet law with an anti-Russian one. Not to mention that the Jackson- Vanik Amendment was such an anachronism. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It was adopted in order to punish the Soviet Union for obstructing the immigration of Jews from the USSR, and when it continued to be renewed each time under new pretexts, one of the pretexts was the requirement to force us to buy more of these very chicken legs, for example, this. It's funny. And by the way, Natan Sharansky, who was a well-known dissident in the Soviet Union, served time in camps, then was a member of the Israeli government, has visited the Russian Federation more than once since then. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We have a very good attitude towards him, we know him well. It's not for nothing that when they once again tried to extend the Jackson-Vanik Amendment under some chicken pretext, he said that, in my opinion, 7 years in He didn't sit in the camps for Bush's knife. It's funny, but that's really how it is. That's the approach of American legislators, and all attempts to reason with them and say it's simply absurd have led to nothing. To be honest, neither the US administration. Neither the George W. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Bush administration nor the Obama administration worked with Congress at the initial stage to show that, well, you know, I would say it was dishonest for such a position to be taken when Jackson's position continued to persist. But when we had already closed the main issues of joining the World Trade Organization, I must acknowledge the positive role that the US administration, President Obama personally, played in promoting compromises on the path to our accession. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified After this had already become clear, members of Congress decided to somehow compensate for this anti-Soviet and now anti-Russian baton. They came up with this Sergei Magnitsky law. Browder actively promoted this law, as we know. On Capital Hill, just as he later did in Europe, he rushed around all the countries and proposed the same anti-magnitsky laws be adopted in European parliaments, but nevertheless, it appeared. Zay wanted to sign Barack Obama. Yes, we know that it was not the administration's choice. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified When Barack Obama met with Vladimir Putin last June in Los Angeles at the G20 summit, Obama said that I cannot do this. Circumstances will put pressure on me, first of all, the need to remove the Jackson-Vanik amendment. I will do this. Well, replace the anti-Soviet with the anti-Russian. Well, in general, this is how we perceive it, as they say. And the fact that Congress literally pushed through a more stringent version than the one that Senator Cardin initially proposed. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified In this, I see, to a certain extent, not only a manifestation of Russophobia, which is traditionally present there on the Hill, but also a desire to spite the president, who has consistently sought to make the Russian direction of foreign policy one of the priorities and in which many results have been achieved in this direction, including on the eve of the elections in November 2011, probably led by the Republicans, Congress. He wanted to show that Obama is not succeeding in this direction either. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified So, here, of course, a touch of American political life is also present in Los Angeles when Obama told Putin about this. The president told him, "Well, you understand that we can't leave this unanswered. We will definitely have an answer. As for the content of Dima Yakovlev's law, there was a very intense public discussion. When the code was being considered, I supplemented it when clarifications and amendments were made to it, and the discussion was based, in general, on two lines of logic. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified One logic was that opportunities should not be closed to children if there is a chance for them to improve their situation. The second logic was that children should not be given up for adoption to a country where our children are dying, and here this second school of thought developed in several ways. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It was recognized that somewhere around 60,000 of our children turned out to be ours during the entire period of adoption in the United States, and those who suffered were killed, raped, studied, or simply sent back home as a parcel. Their number is no more than a few dozen, but in one case it is reliably known how many such children there are. We don't know because we have no way of tracking, especially in the nineties, here was adopted. All these routes are very important. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Moreover, when a child from Russia or any other country is adopted, he is usually given an American name, and in documents he appears under the surname given to him by his American adoptive parents. But the fact that there may be many more than 20 such unfortunate cases is indicated by a general analysis of the situation with the establishment in the United States of not only Russian but any other children, including American ones. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified After these stories began to scandalously appear in the press, it is natural to stir up public interest. Our embassy in Washington was contacted by both citizens and non-governmental organizations. And I'm telling the Americans that somewhere in their state, in a village in a city, there's a family that's abusing their child. Everyone sees it, isn't it Russian or is it a child, so they contact our embassy. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We actively investigate each such fact, but returning to the question of proportionality or disproportionality, firstly, when a healthy society is recognized by the TI and when a WTO law is adopted, it must be implemented. This is what we proceed from, and the content of the law itself, and the very fact of the ban on American adoption in the United States. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified You know, well, even if you compare the numbers, it's a piece of cake, spoil it, that's what happened with this law in our society, and as a result, this law has acquired the form that is in Appendix A. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It's clear that you head the Foreign Ministry, but nevertheless, it's also clear that you have to answer on very serious global platforms for what is happening inside Russia, and we hear a huge number of critical statements, including those coming from Washington, regarding searches and fines in non-profit organizations, regarding the fact that In Russia, as critics claim, human rights are being restricted, human rights are being violated, freedom of speech is being restricted, many examples are given, including one of the most recent ones - this is the story of blogger Alexei Navalny, against whom a criminal case has been opened, a trial is beginning, a trial is beginning. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified This is how you criticize your colleagues and to what extent do you consider it legitimate, please know, if this is dictated by a sincere interest in nevertheless understanding the situation and helping to establish a democratic society in Russia, after all, we have been doing only this for 20 years, we must not forget about this, and since the Novgorod ve and such a short period of the interim government, we have not actually practiced any democracy, and therefore the path we are now going through is what we have already gone through in 20 years. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Well, it took one hundred years to reach this stage for those who are now trying to reproach us for not loving democracy and therefore not respecting the Supreme Court. If there is an interest in helping in this movement, then through the mouth of the president, we have repeatedly stated that we are ready for such a dialogue, whether it be the European Union or By the way, we have mechanisms for such a dialogue with the United States of America and with the US and the European Union. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified And this is all quite consistent with our vision of how to develop cooperation, including in the field of human rights. If this is for the sake of scoring domestic political points to show how principled we are in our relations with Russia, then you, voters of our democratic states, vote for our party and not for the party that is now in power, which is trying to flirt with Russia there because of gas or because of some other economic interests. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Well, it is probably pointless and useless to talk with such people, although depending on where they are in the opposition or in power, their views can change. There are many such examples, including in the same one. But we are ready for dialogue. Moreover, we also have something to say and to inquire about how our partners are resolving their human rights problems. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Well, for example, the United States, we are seeking clarification of the fate of one Russian citizen who has remained in Guantanamo without trial for probably 10 years, only now they are somehow trying to organize his visit for us. But in general, the very fact of the turb Guantanamo Bay is a disgrace, I think, and their closure is explained openly and shamelessly by the sole motive that if we transfer them to the US, we will have no legal grounds to keep them in prison. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified That's why we hold them without trial or investigation. We do whatever we want, we torture, we don't torture, I don't know. No one checks there, no one controls this prison. Abu Ghraib, the prison that was in Iraq, is also generally notorious for the atrocities that took place there. CIA flying prisons. This issue is still being investigated by the European Parliament. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Who and for what purpose violated all conceivable national laws, EU legislation, and international conventions when they adopted these Russian prisons and, accordingly, the flying prison, refueled them, helped conduct interrogations. And then there are a lot of complaints about the US judicial system. The same sentences against murderers and rapists of Russian children are released in the courtroom, given suspended sentences. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified This is for real facts when irreparable harm was caused to children, and at the same time, when our citizens were simply kidnapped, as if they were illegally removed from the country. They took the drugs out of Thailand in violation of Thai laws, and now a case is being opened there regarding why Thai laws were violated when extraditing the drugs, but they were both provoked by American agents for the cocaine mafia in Colombia and those rebels in Colombia. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Therefore, we can also talk a lot about the American justice system, but I will not mention it. Naya, in general, was Secretary of State for a time. She started telling me something about the imperfections of our electoral system. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I replied that we are looking for the best way, but in 2000, because of this two-tiered system with electoral districts, Al Gore, who received an absolute majority and everyone knows this, what if there were direct elections and in the end he lost to George Bush, who in absolute terms received fewer votes. There was also a dark story when the Supreme Court stopped the recount procedure in Florida. You know what she told me, she says. Yes, this is our problem, we know about it. But it is ours. We know the problem. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We live with it, and if something needs to be changed, we'll figure it out ourselves. You understand, we've said it more than once. American. No, that's not my answer. These are just examples I give, you see. Well, Navalny, of course. Independently. You see, you said Navalny is a famous blogger and oppositionist. Well, if we say that bloggers should be more equal than non-bloggers, like Orla, then that means we'll have a barnyard, not a democracy. Everyone should be equal before the law. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified If there are accusations of economic violations, they need to be investigated. Whether a blogger or not is a person. I have nothing against Navalny, and if people want to fight corruption, for God's sake. Navalny isn't the only suspect involved in Kirovles, or where was that company? You know, representatives of the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense and a number of others are under investigation, so here, officials probably shouldn't be considered in isolation from the facts. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified If there are accusations that can be proven in court, that's what we need to proceed from. Here's the last, very short question about Navalny, I'll just read from a viewer. Sergei Lednev, who uses rather unconstructive expressions, asks the question: What will you tell the leaders of other countries when Alexei Navalny is imprisoned? Alexei Navalny will go to prison on a trumped-up charge, he asks, and I will add: Was this discussed with any of your colleagues? Did you specifically discuss this? |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Never at the meetings I had with my colleagues, not at the meetings of the president with his partners that I attended, this name never came up. But your correspondent, he has already decided for himself. When he is imprisoned on a trumped-up charge, I cannot. I cannot take on the functions of a judge, no matter how I treat legal proceedings. I gave you examples of the perfection of the American judicial system. There is well-known criticism of the Russian judicial system. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified How should we feel about this if we are guided by emotions? But this is not justice. The verdict will destroy everything, and by the way. When our partners talk to us about the rule of law, we speak of course, but let us also firmly speak out in favor of the rule of law not only within states, but also on There's much less enthusiasm internationally. But in terms of human rights, there are no perfect people, as a character in a famous film said. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified And on July 8th, when the President of the Russian Federation was visiting the Netherlands, the topic of human rights in Russia was touched upon, and Vladimir Vladimirovich was asked about this at a press conference. He said that we want more human rights, so that there would be more legality, we do this, less corruption, and he accordingly gave several examples of how these things are sometimes covered biasedly. When a speck in someone else's eye, yes, but a log in your own. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified In the Netherlands, one of the current public discussions is devoted to the fact that some time ago a Dutch court banned the Martin party, it's called, and these guys are pedophiles, their main goal is to prove the legal and social acceptability of pedophilia. So now an appeal has been filed to lift the ban on this party, this is being seriously discussed there, so there is a general rejection of this. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The second example is much more already legally and factually enshrined in the law, there is a party, it's called the state party. The reformist party, whose main goal, or one of its main goals, is to introduce an official ban on women holding public office and a ban on electing women to parliament, is not some kind of artificially created party. It is a member, or rather, a member of this party sits in the Dutch parliament. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Well, at least the previous government, Prime Minister Rutte, relied on the support of this party on a number of issues, including this. It is impossible to imagine such a thing in Russia. I mean, you understand, if Dutch society wants to live in this context and such principles are considered acceptable, and in relation to pedophiles, in relation to the ban on women from the profession, by and large, it is their right if society wants this, but we also have some of our own traditions, you understand. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Let's discuss the issues. Let's then be prepared to answer counter-questions. Do you think Russia has democracy? I believe there is democracy. Read our newspapers. Watch our television. Chita, of course. Yes, especially the newspaper, of course, but not to mention the Internet. Of course, the question about Syria is good. We have many questions about Syria. It is especially actively discussed on our Facebook page. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The situation in Syria is now with no end in sight to this war, and many are really interested in what is being done. Russia, in order to somehow end this mass murder, I will immediately read one of the questions. Dur Hesta asks when we will see real diplomatic, political, and military steps from Russia to prevent the worst possible resolution of the civil war in Syria. Look. Yes, you will see. The chronology was approximately as follows. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Firstly, the very first reaction of the Security Council to what was happening in Syria took place in August 2011, on Russia's initiative. It was a statement by the chairman adopted unanimously, which contained a demand for both countries to stop shooting at each other and to sit down and agree on the future of their country. This approach, in our opinion, is the only correct one. The subsequent attempts by our Western colleagues to push through a unilateral solution to this security problem. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Where only the government was accused of all the sins, they were rubbing. We absolutely do not absolve the government of Syria and the Syrian regime of responsibility because any government bears primary responsibility for the safety of its citizens, including in situations like this. But to pretend that the government simply withdrew troops and fired on peaceful demonstrators, like on January 9, 195, in the Russian Empire, is also absolutely incorrect and dishonest against the regime's troops. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Armed oppositionists were already fighting back then. And now they are even more armed, but nevertheless, in August 2011, the first reaction of the Security Council to the Russian initiative was November 2011, the Arab League adopted a plan according to which it wants to send observers to Syria and see what is really happening there, who is right and who is to blame, Damascus. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Moreover, Damascus's place in the Arab League becomes vacant, it is not allowed to attend these meetings, the Syrian leadership is naturally offended, we are making serious efforts and are convinced, we began to prepare our first report, which contained facts that not only the government is violating the ceasefire that should be established, but also armed oppositionists are doing the same and allowing violations of international humanitarian law. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The Arab League immediately curtailed this mission, it recalled the observer. Uh, next This spring of 2011, a special envoy of the PLA was appointed, who is also not very well received in Damascus, we are making efforts. Damascus agrees to work on the basis of this plan, agrees to accept UN observers. Observers are being sent there to deploy. What is starting to happen is that the violence is gradually, slowly, but gradually and surely, decreasing. There are fewer and fewer incidents. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified As soon as this began to be recorded, I don't know. I'm probably convinced that, prompted by foreigners, the opposition began to become active. Intolerable conditions were created. Around this UN mission, it had to be curtailed. The next stage, on our initiative, supported by Kofan, is being held in June 2012. We are accepting the Geneva communiqué by consensus. Please note: Who is the author of this? |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified All five members of the permanent members of the Security Council, the Arab League, the European Union, Turkey, Qatar, Iraq, General Rion. It would seem that the company is quite representative, although we were convinced that Iran and Saudi Arabia should also be invited. But Iran's fate was blocked by the Americans. I think this is a mistake, but nevertheless, Iran is in conv ZAO document on VM with the order to stop shooting. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified All external players represented in Geneva must send the same strong signal to all warring parties to say we demand that you do this. And I am convinced that if everyone acted in this way, the shooting would have happened long ago. If it had stopped, does this mean it's in the interests of some players on the world stage? I probably don't know whose interests it is. But I'm answering your viewer's question about when he will finally see Russia's actions. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The Geneva meeting was created at Russia's initiative, and therefore, as soon as this platform for a settlement appeared, a few days later we convinced President Assad to accept it as a basis for further action. The opposition still has n't said so. Moreover, three days after the Geneva meeting, the opposition rejected Konikie's proposal as not implying regime change and Assad's departure before the start of negotiations. Accordingly, we brought this to the Security Council and proposed its approval. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Our Western partners told us on the security website. Well, yes, we supported the consensus in Geneva. We are, in a way, involved in this document, but there is no topic of regime overthrow there. So, let's write that this Kamennik can be implemented as soon as he leaves power. Well, again, either we agree on something, or people try to replay it later. And so on. And here's the last example. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We are the only country, by the way. which meets with all those who in Syria outside represent various currents of Syrian society and with the government with the internal opposition with all opposition members without exception. I met with the head of the so-called national coalition, Mr. Hub, he has an invitation to Moscow. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified And what is significant is that he recently spoke in favor of starting a dialogue with the government without preliminary Umut, but then our colleagues from the League of Arab States convened an emergency meeting and decided that from now on and forever this national coalition is the only legitimate representative of the Syrian people, as if there are no those who still see the regime as some kind of protector of the internal opposition in Syria and put this coalition in Syria's place in the League of Arab States. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I believe that the League of Arab States has thereby crossed out its mediation efforts. Moreover, the same decision allows for the magnanimous supply of weapons to the opposition. Although this violates all conceivable and inconceivable international norms and laws, therefore we have long been trying to calm the situation. But as soon as something appears Lesha, a glimmer of hope, a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel, someone. As you told someone. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It's probably beneficial to do everything to undermine this hope and again derail the situation towards a war to a victorious end. There will be no winners there. I don't know. It might be beneficial to many. It might be beneficial to those who would like to see fewer large and influential STMs in the region. Who wants it to be preserved. Lost, so that they can be busy cleaning up these consequences of a terrible war. Siri Ale was destroyed. This is a city that is under the protection of UNESCO. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Look what's happening in Egypt. It's probably beneficial to someone too, because Egypt, after all, has always been a leading regional power that has had a principled position and a very strong voice on the UAE issue and seeks to confirm this role. But their main part of their main forces is spent on calming the internal situation. They met with President Morsi when President Putin was at the summit in South Africa. We will continue to work with him. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We will support stabilization efforts, but for now, Egypt is out of an active game like this. He usually participated in Middle East affairs, he was removed, and in the Arab League, other people are already playing music because, for example, the decision to exclude Syria was made in violation of the charter of the League of Arab States; such decisions are made only by consensus. According to the charter, and there were two or three objecting states. So, the only way is, again, nothing new can be invented here. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We must stop encouraging violence; we must stop the militarism; this is a conflagration and we are fishing for conspiracies. The government, largely under our pressure, formed a negotiating team. John Kerry and I talked about this when we met in Berlin, and he said that he would also facilitate the opposition forming its own negotiating team. The government has the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, and three ministers. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I then called the Secretary of State back and said that yes, Damascus confirmed to us that this is a negotiating team. Unfortunately, neither the Americans nor anyone else has yet succeeded in persuading the opposition to form the same team on the other side, so I hope your viewer will be satisfied. Well, at least satisfied. I don't know. I didn't hear his desire to be satisfied in the question. Russia's role, but at least the facts are the main ones and much more, but okay, I'll just move on to the last question. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Unfortunately, since we don't have time for Georgia, I couldn't help but ask you, not because I'm Georgian, Sergei Viktorovich, because it's just that many people are interested in it, including political scientists and politicians. Georgian politicians are interested in it. The government has changed there and only positive signals are coming now from official Tbilisi. Ivanishvili is declaring his readiness to be friends in all directions. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I haven't heard anything, but I still haven't developed a clear idea of how relations between Moscow and Belarus will develop in the future. That's what you see now in the new Georgian government. Do you want constructive relations with them? We've always wanted to be friends with our Georgian neighbors, cooperate, and help them solve problems. If it weren't for the August 2008 adventure, I think we could have made enough progress. Relations were constantly strained by Mr. Saakashvili. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified He made, in general, I think a destructive contribution to the souls and minds of many young Georgians. He consistently pursued a line on to draw out what historical ties connect our countries Well, one example is enough, I won’t go into it now It's a fact that the Ossetians sent their first embassy to St. Petersburg before the Treaty of Georgievsk, and that the Abkhazians joined the Russian Empire before the Treaty of Georgievsk, but I'm talking about something else now. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Then, how can they be treated as equal union republics with the same status? Then, Joseph Stalin transferred Abkhazia to Georgia. We all know about the Treaty of Georgievsk, which was the result of the Georgians' appeal for protection to the Russian throne. Saakashvili, in one of his emotional speeches, called this event in the history of our relations the first occupation of Georgia by Russia. To hammer such things into the heads of young people who simply don't remember the good times of good relations. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified I consider this a crime against their own people. Therefore, Mikhail Nikolaevich is, for us, a man who has already been cut off, a cut off slice. By the way, he now continues as soon as he hears that Ivanishvili or his ministers are saying something. positive about relations with Russia, he immediately, so to speak, Bert, as a rule, makes some comment necessarily in a different direction, but I don’t think that anyone in this world still listens to him. As for the new government, we did not bring it to power. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We generally tried not to comment on what is happening on the domestic political scene of Georgia. This was the choice made by the Georgian people. We respect this choice. We are satisfied that the government wants to pragmatically resolve the issues that exist in our relations and the resumption of trade in agricultural products and beverages. By the way, cooperation in the energy sector has never been interrupted, and gas and electricity are there. Russian capital. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Russian companies are working, and the most important thing is that we still have a very strong attraction to each other. I am friends with many Georgians and with those who live in Moscow. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Of course, they perceive it differently and I don’t think that a politician will appear in the foreseeable future in Georgia who will say yes, let’s forget about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but we must understand that in Russia no politician will appear who will say that we were wrong, just as we were wrong when it all started with the fact that the escalation The situation and on August 7th there were contacts with Saakashvili and he gave the order not to nimani nev there. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Was it under yours or under yes, but initially it was called Tskhinvali, just like Georgians under Stalin, all the Abkhaz and Ossetian surnames were also there. That's why the cities were called that way, but I mean that it's under the basement of a battalion in which Georgia and Russia and the conflict zone of South Ossetia at that time, Russian Georgians and Ossetians served in this battalion. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified A few hours after Saakashvili publicly said that there would be no military action, the Georgian peacekeepers left this battalion and a couple of hours later, together with units of the Georgian army, they were in the SKh comrade naming niemi, an agreement that was signed with the Georgian leadership before Saakashvili. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified If you know, we have said more than once that our goal was to stop the bloodshed and to suppress the firing points already outside the territory of South Ossetia from which this territory was being shelled. When it was done, our troops returned but remained naturally on South Ossetian territory because there was no goal to recognize the threat of revenge from Sasha. No one even thought about it. I witnessed these events as the Armed Forces discussed it in Moscow. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified The goal was one - to stop the bloodshed, but then, when they beat them, revanchist signals began to be heard. When Saakashvili refused the same thing with international discussions on determining the status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, we were ready to discuss the status in the international context, he said no discussions. Well, his subsequent revanchist statements showed that they failed, that there was no other way to ensure security except recognizing independence. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Yes, and you, Edo, I don't see how you also agreed. How can a Georgian politician appear in the future who will say, Well, that's it. We forgot about it. We were wrong. Just like there wo n't be a Russian politician who will say that you know, that's it. Let's now return everything to normal. This cannot be, as I repeat, no matter how we treat this, and when the Americans tell us, let's write it down in the context of restrictions or conventional arms control in Europe. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified That you must respect the borders that existed before August 1998, we're telling guys. Well, you may disagree with this. But this is the decision of the Russian president and the decision of the Russian leadership, that is, whatever the decision is, it cannot be changed. No, you understand, no. A lot can be changed. We did n't sever diplomatic relations, how did this happen? Yes, but the refugees, of which there are hundreds of thousands, will not return to Abkhazia. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified This issue worries Georgians, which means about refugees. You understand, if they are concerned, then let them explain to those who are conducting the negotiations. The so-called Geneva discussions were created at Medvedev's suggestion. They have already met 20 times. Literally not long ago, there was another meeting. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It was agreed that two circles of issues are being discussed: first, the issue of security in the region to prevent the resumption of similar cheat adventures, and second, including the situation of refugees and displaced persons in accordance with international humanitarian law and practice. Post-conceptual refugee problems in the Balkans have been going on for more than 10 years. Serbian refugees are the largest group of refugees in Europe. They are also unlikely to ever return to Croatia. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Those from Kosovo are unlikely to ever return. He fled from the southern parts of Kosovo, but nevertheless, a Working Group was created in these Geneva discussions, which deals, among other things, with the refugee issue, and it was proposed to begin with the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees to conduct an inventory of this entire situation, and when there was only just... Of course, this dialogue is very difficult because it directly affects the still- healing wound of Abkhazia. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified South Ossetians were not very keen on this, but in the end, they were still involved. A general meeting was opened, and Georgia introduced a resolution there on the problem of refugees and the change of persons. It was precisely the Abkhazians that the South Ossetians asked that if the Georgians believe that this should not be discussed in the Geneva discussions, and that they, the Ossetians of Abkhazia, be given the opportunity to speak on the global platform and present their part of the Truth. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified They applied for a visa to the United States. The United States would refuse to allow Georgia to submit a resolution, and they vote there, and it is simply adopted while they are for this position. We understand them perfectly well that while Georgia wants This problem should be made exclusively a subject of propaganda. We will not consider it at the Geneva discussions, that is, where all the participants are, a process where these issues can be resolved pragmatically. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified It is not being discussed now, in general, I believe, not through the fault of anyone else except our colleagues from Tbilisi. But I will repeat once again, we are impressed by the pragmatism with which the Ivanishvili government approaches relations. We are ready, in addition to expanding trade. Moreover, we have an agreement on Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization. Here, even in legal terms, there are additional prerequisites for more active trade. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified We are ready, as we have been all these years, for cultural and humanitarian sports contacts. We have political scientists traveling, including from MGIMO, from the Diplomatic Academy, scientists who travel to various conferences in Georgia, and they regularly come here to work on entrepreneurship and theater festivals. I only welcome this. This is because peoples should still remember how they lived together, how they were friends. Yes, I think that this friendship has not disappeared. |
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Cached English source — passage alignment not verified Although Sergey Viktorovich, we are going through very serious tests right now. Thank you very much. I want to say again that this was the first interview of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation on the RTVi TV channel. For us, this is very important, and we thank you. We hope to see you on air many more times. Thank you. Thank |